Its quite an accomplishment.... But much like price of bread.. The cost today is very inflated..
Back when the multi weight champ standard was established
there were only 8 weight classes
they were known as
* Flyweight (Maximum 112 pounds)
* Bantamweight (118)
* Featherweight (126)
* Lightweight (135)
* Welterweight (147)
* Middleweight (160)
* Light Heavyweight (175)
* Heavyweight (unlimited)
The distances between weights meant if you could keep moving up and winning.. That it really was a feat to behold..
Add in the "1 belt" per division , a Multi division Champ was Totally something to boast about..
Now with 4 belts qualifying as "Champs" and the split divisions.. the odds of being a Multi weight champ have increased 1200% making it much less an accomplishment..
Still something to be proud of when fishing for accolades.. But not an instant criterion for ATG status.. like it was back in the day..
Agreed.
But how you get to 1200% is beyond me.
I admit... I made it up... :lol1: But I figure winning one of 4 belts improves your odds of being a champ 300% (of course assuming you can even win a belt..)I double the 300% chance by either deducting from your odds or adding to the opponents .. because someone wins and someone loses.. Then I double that ODD again because of the 100% increase in the number of weight classes .. thus bringing the odds up to 1200%
Makes sense to me :D
Its quite an accomplishment.... But much like price of bread.. The cost today is very inflated..
Back when the multi weight champ standard was established
there were only 8 weight classes
they were known as
* Flyweight (Maximum 112 pounds)
* Bantamweight (118)
* Featherweight (126)
* Lightweight (135)
* Welterweight (147)
* Middleweight (160)
* Light Heavyweight (175)
* Heavyweight (unlimited)
The distances between weights meant if you could keep moving up and winning.. That it really was a feat to behold..
Add in the "1 belt" per division , a Multi division Champ was Totally something to boast about..
Now with 4 belts qualifying as "Champs" and the split divisions.. the odds of being a Multi weight champ have increased 1200% making it much less an accomplishment..
Still something to be proud of when fishing for accolades.. But not an instant criterion for ATG status.. like it was back in the day..
Agreed.
But how you get to 1200% is beyond me.
its quite an accomplishment.... But much like price of bread.. The cost today is very inflated..
Back when the multi weight champ standard was established
there were only 8 weight classes
they were known as
* flyweight (maximum 112 pounds)
* bantamweight (118)
* featherweight (126)
* lightweight (135)
* welterweight (147)
* middleweight (160)
* light heavyweight (175)
* heavyweight (unlimited)
the distances between weights meant if you could keep moving up and winning.. That it really was a feat to behold..
add in the "1 belt" per division , a multi division champ was totally something to boast about..
Now with 4 belts qualifying as "champs" and the split divisions.. The odds of being a multi weight champ have increased 1200% making it much less an accomplishment..
Still something to be proud of when fishing for accolades.. But not an instant criterion for atg status.. Like it was back in the day..
this is the main reason why we didn't not have many multi champs back then as we d0 now.
Which is why no fighter back then has done it.
No.. But a fighter doing 3 back then would be equal to 6 today.. plus you can't forget the one champ to 4 per division factor..
The odds of becoming The champ.. as opposed to A Champ..
Name me 5 fighters who have won belts in 5 diff weight classes and they brag about it.
Leonard, Hearns, Oscar and Floyd.
There's only 4 that I can think of. And the guys Floyd beat in his 4th and 5th weight class were a shit load better than Hearn's and Leonard's opposition in their 4th & 5th weight class.
Its quite an accomplishment.... But much like price of bread.. The cost today is very inflated..
Back when the multi weight champ standard was established
there were only 8 weight classes
they were known as
* Flyweight (Maximum 112 pounds)
* Bantamweight (118)
* Featherweight (126)
* Lightweight (135)
* Welterweight (147)
* Middleweight (160)
* Light Heavyweight (175)
* Heavyweight (unlimited)
The distances between weights meant if you could keep moving up and winning.. That it really was a feat to behold..
Add in the "1 belt" per division , a Multi division Champ was Totally something to boast about..
Now with 4 belts qualifying as "Champs" and the split divisions.. the odds of being a Multi weight champ have increased 1200% making it much less an accomplishment..
Still something to be proud of when fishing for accolades.. But not an instant criterion for ATG status.. like it was back in the day..
Which is why no fighter back then has done it.
Idk man, As a boxer and seeing other boxers and pro boxers, I just really strongly disagree with going up and down in weight easily and a natural 160 pounder making 135. Don;t get me wrong, I see your point, It's just the easy and the natural 160 pounder making 135 just seems a little bit farfetched in my book. No hard feelings. I know what your point is though tiger.
well, its MUCH easier to do it nowadays than it was in the same day weigh ins. thats what I meant.
perhaps I should have have used better wording...but back in those older days, it was near impossible for a fighter to cut that much weight and still be in fighting shape on that same day. today's fighters can pull it off and still be quite healthy, even though the process of making weight is very tough.
so they would be able to fight at lower weight classes than they should be at, and wouldnt have nearly as much trouble in moving up in weight, since they weigh that much(or even more) naturally.
sorry for the misunderstanding.
I agree with everything except the bold part. I strongly disagree with the bold part.
why? look at some of the Welterweight that fight at 147, but weigh 180lbs regularly. same thing.
hell, look at someone like Guerillimo Jones. he fought at 147lbs and did well, and now as a Cruiserweight belt holder. and no offense to him, but hes nothing that special.
Dude take your head out of Vics azz....and open your eyes.....if you been in this forum you know Wekters history.
And Im going to go out on a limb and say he forgot about Pacman when making this dumbazz thread.
It isnt any fighters fault thats their many weight classes.
Ask Ricky the diffrence 7 pounds make.
Can't escape your own concious.... Sign of a weak mind :nonono:
Way to miss the original point.... he was just commenting on the devaluement of calling oneself a multi-division champ. Pick out something he said that wasnt true.
Its quite an accomplishment.... But much like price of bread.. The cost today is very inflated..
Back when the multi weight champ standard was established
there were only 8 weight classes
they were known as
* Flyweight (Maximum 112 pounds)
* Bantamweight (118)
* Featherweight (126)
* Lightweight (135)
* Welterweight (147)
* Middleweight (160)
* Light Heavyweight (175)
* Heavyweight (unlimited)
The distances between weights meant if you could keep moving up and winning.. That it really was a feat to behold..
Add in the "1 belt" per division , a Multi division Champ was Totally something to boast about..
Now with 4 belts qualifying as "Champs" and the split divisions.. the odds of being a Multi weight champ have increased 1200% making it much less an accomplishment..
Still something to be proud of when fishing for accolades.. But not an instant criterion for ATG status.. like it was back in the day..
Great post, and very intelligently stated..... Some of the wanna be pundits on here should read posts like this before quoting their self serving stats again for the 10000th time.
Too bad they have their heads so far up their favorite fighters' butts that it wouldnt even give them a second's pause.:beerchug:
i bet you brag about cotto's 2 divisions though...or how you think juanma will be p4p #1 when he makes it "all the way" to lightweight or some shit(considering juanma is very big for 122...)
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I agree, great post!!!!!!!!!!
Co sign!!!!!!!!
i bet you brag about cotto's 2 divisions though...or how you think juanma will be p4p #1 when he makes it "all the way" to lightweight or some shit(considering juanma is very big for 122...)
Very true. Just imagine how many weight classes Sugar ray Robinson would of had. Hell he beat the lightweight champ in his day, though the fight was like 1 pound over the weight limit
But like you said, its more about who you beat.
very true. I agree completely with all you had to say here.
which is why, especially in this day and age, its better to go by who a fighter beats more than meaningless statistics.
Id also like to add that its very easy to go up and down in weight nowdays, because of the day before weigh ins. a natural 160lber can fight at 135lbs all the way to 160lbs and still be in good shape nowadays.
wasnt so easy with the same day weigh ins. you fought at your natural weight class, and if you moved up you weighed less than your opponent. nowdays you have guys moving up two weight classes, and still weighing more than the weight limit the night of the fight