Holding and hitting

its against the rules so..... as long as both can punch and get out of it quickly, then theres not much you can do about it......it would be worse to break up the action the moment they clinch...referees should issue a warning though, so they cant do it that much...the referee that worked collazo berto was spot on.......berto was forced to fight, thus it was an exciting fight.....the moment berto got uncomfortable against forbes, he started clinching and hitting, and since no one warned him, he went on to cruise an uneventful ud..... fighters should learn how to infight properly....it is annoying as **** when people say hatton is an infighter....

I really don't like holding and hitting. It takes away so much skill and finess of the game, leaves it to just tough guys exchanging shots with a 90% hit ratio. Pointless. That's not an art form, really. Probably why I'm not a big fan of Hatton, at least anymore. I prefer to see ref's encourage them verbally to come out of it, threaten punishments or subtly pushed them apart so fighters do it half of their own accord, rather than completely splitting them up. Thar ruins the flow, and makes it too stop/start.

whats your take on holding and hitting? refs seem to get worked up about it unnecessarily, imo. the illegal part about holding and hitting is the holding, not the hitting, and yet it seems that refs will jump all over a guy for holding and hitting and let someone else hold all night without warning. personally, I think if two guys are tied up but are able to punch effectively, then the ref should just let it be and instead get more angry at a guy who simply clinches. if you're gonna infight, do it correctly, otherwise dont infight at all.

Holding should not be allowed at all. I would like to see guys who hold as a method of staying in the fight be DQ'd after only one warning to set a standard...if someone is holding which is cheating they should get hit it is no question...but at the end of the day the guy holding should be DQ'd at once. Mayeather likes to hold fighters arms so does Hopkins and others. They hold their opponents hand preventing them to get counter punch. Boxing is boxing and not wrestling. I've seen these guys doing some excessive holding. If every boxer starts to do this i'll bet they'll change the rules. Thats an advantage for dirty boxers.

ha, that was pretty much Ernie Shavers' finishing blow. He knocked out a few guys with that. personally, I dont think a guy whos holding and hitting should get in any more trouble than a guy who is just holding. To be fair to Shavers, Ellis was looking to do the same to him but Shavers was just faster with his uppercut.

Arthur Abraham tried to use a Lennox Lewis uppercut (holding the opponents head with the left and throwing an uppercut with the right) on Lajuan Simon but he was quickly warned for it. ha, that was pretty much Ernie Shavers' finishing blow. He knocked out a few guys with that. personally, I dont think a guy whos holding and hitting should get in any more trouble than a guy who is just holding.

Arthur Abraham tried to use a Lennox Lewis uppercut (holding the opponents head with the left and throwing an uppercut with the right) on Lajuan Simon but he was quickly warned for it. Yeah. Ref did a good job there. AA ain't schooled good enough in the dirty deed department....

Arthur Abraham tried to use a Lennox Lewis uppercut (holding the opponents head with the left and throwing an uppercut with the right) on Lajuan Simon but he was quickly warned for it.

It's a foul, but as long as it ain't a dangerous blow, no big deal.

It's against the rules and should be enforced more. It's a bad habit for some just like hitting behind the head is. It gives an unfair advantage when a dirty fighter fights a clean one and the ref doesn't do his job. Lennox was awful with that holding and hitting and he got away with it more often than not.

I think it should be allowed. It's a common part of the sport that has always happened. Watch older fight flims, they clinch just as much as they do now. I think it's fine as long as it's not hard rabbit punches or kidneys punches, but to get them off it's ok. Hatton can be very boring do it, but the way he did it against Collazo was pretty exciting. I don't mind when Hopkins does it. I just hate when boxers' hold and use physical force to bully them around and not throw punches. John Ruiz is an example of that.

B-Hop is a master of this game. Hatton on the other hand seem to hug rather than hold.

It's the combination of the two that makes it bad. Holding is a traditional part of defense and can be used sparingly. Holding and hitting takes the purpose out of boxing, anyone can do that and that's not what they fighters are paid to be good at. not everyone can hold and hit effectively. it takes a lot of skill to pull it off and still get leverage behind your punches with the other hand. holding is the illegal part of holding and hitting, not the hitting part.

It's the combination of the two that makes it bad. Holding is a traditional part of defense and can be used sparingly. Holding and hitting takes the purpose out of boxing, anyone can do that and that's not what they fighters are paid to be good at.

what about when one guy catches another guys hand(which is usually his good hand) and starts slammin him with his right? the man that's holding can control the other guy and the other guy wont be able to punch back aswell if he is under a grapple thats pretty impossible to do if youre talking about the forearm, especially with gloves on. If youre talking about using one hand to grab sort of over the arm and udner the armpit and hitting with the other one, Im fine with that too. Pernell Whitaker used to do it all the time on the inside, real effective. Theres ways to get out of that and fight back in that position, I think its part of boxing.

I don't like the way Hatton does it. It is boring and not boxing imo. thats because he does more holding than hitting. and little else, for that matter. although you have to put some blame on his opponents too. some of his opponents clinch right back.

I kinda agree with your opinion on it, but what u need is consistancy from referees. U have to fight to the rules of the referee on the night, so if u know he lets the fighters get on with it u can prepare for that, and u know if doesnt tolerate it all, u can prepare for that also. In other words, make up your fu.cking mind Cortez!

I don't like the way Hatton does it. It is boring and not boxing imo.

i have no problem with it but a guy like hatton over does it, literally, it's really irritating listening how he compares his style to that of durans'