Is the title greatest of all time forever reserved for Ali? Or is there a fighter within this current generation that can eventually assume the throne? :thinking:
pac easily the goat of todays boxing.. 8 div champ, 5 lineal champ. 4 decades champ you couldn't ask for more.
The greatest of all time of today? Wtf does that mean.
Right, agreed. Back in the day Sugar Ray would fight sometimes 3 times in 3 weeks, with a couple of those fights only 8 days apart! Ridiculous!
Fighters these days are such babies in comparison.
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SRR is GOAT.
And the only way it could happen is if that new person could fight 200+ times and do better than a run of 128-1-2 with 84 knockouts while winning the worlds welterweight and middleweight championships. Going on a 91 bout-winning streak can help too oh yeah, having over 100 KO's wont hurt either.
The reason I disagree is because boxing itself has gotten more skillful,prepared & has so much knowledge available SRR didn't have access to & his generation of rivals didn't have either.
The fact they fought so often just to survive as you say is exactly why those 200 wins back then are comparable to what future gens since then did in eras where boxing has state of the art training, nutritionist, most champs making mils of dollars allows them to have the preparation,stamina,&
Theres just more truly elite fighters today that would most likely starch fighters of yesteryear because they earn more today & don't have to work dayjobs like SRR era(remember also that drugs were part of boxing back then in a major way, without testing basically. And remember that most those 200 wins of yesteryear were against Yildirims of yesteryear)
SRR is 1 of the goat but its impossible to say whether hed be starched by the likes of Hagler,Leonard etc because boxing was like todays amateurs skillwise,they just didn't have the infrastructure or stability for there to be many star boxers.
Duran,JCC, have like 100 wins yet they still get wrongfully shtted on to this day,because most the wins they have are C levels or worse,they have the same amount of good names that make up like 25 of those fights vs truly elite opponents.(thats still a ton,but comparable to future eras top fighters)
Fighters can’t fight guys like me or you anymore, so no. Fans and media pressure the fighters to always fight someone with a pulse.
The “back in the day they used to 3 times a day comment” leaves out that these opponents had losing records, and terrible records.
Fans and media are savage nowadays. Look at Canelo for example, fighting Yildirim. He won’t hear the end of it. But back then, SRR could fight 10 fighters who are worse than Yildirim, a year, and 1-2 actual good fighters, and he is hailed as the GOAT. But yeah, fighters can’t do that now. So it will be hard to top those 100+ pro records due to fans and media wanting fighters to fight only top 10 P4P, top 10 Ring ranked fighters.
You shouldn't say there can't be a new goat.
There's a young kid out there now who will only take up a career in boxing if he can one day be considered goat.
Don't end career before it starts.
Mayweather is now the GOAT... No other great in history has beaten a UFC superstar, a RIZIN prospect, and a popular YouTube content creator (soon)... PPV king... 50-0... The only boxer who won a vacant lineal championship at catchweight... No illegal substance issues...
SRR has more than 10 losses... Ali only fought Inoki (wrestler)... GrandPac only fought Algieri (kickboxer) and was murdered by a mere memoroid punch... Armstrong is just a 3 division champ...
I'm going to catch some Flack for this but what if Deontay goes back to beating everybody with one punch knockouts in the hype begins. That would be pulling the wool over our eyelids but just like a sheep he may have the baaaadest chance to miraculously pull it off.
I guess Mayweather could, he'd have to beat JMM, Pacquiao, Cotto, Mosley, Clottey, Williams. Then go up to face a big name at a much higher weight. Even then it's a stretch to call him the goat.
He came pretty close
yeah that one.
Mayweather got the c.o.w. Coward of welterweights
lol. .........
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i thought floyd mayweather said he is better than SRR so does it mean he is the GOAT? hehehhe
Nah, but he seems to have fooled a few people.
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I think Ali deserves it...But if there will be candidates for that title in this generation, Pacquiao needs to be there..
Man, I'm a huge Pacquiao fan but come on, that's ludicrous. He has some similarities with Henry Armstrong, but that's about as close as it gets. Nobody, not even Ali, is ****ing with Ray. Ali looked up to Ray, like Ray looked up to Louis when he was starting out.
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Looking at it it wouldn't. He'd have to beat much more, but that's just not realistic in the sport today where promoters spend 4-6 months building up big fights.
The only way for anyone to pull it off would crazy: Go Pro relatively early, but with Olympic momentum, or something like it so they can move along quickly. They would want to start fighting at the championship level by the age of 21 or 22. They would have to take on all challengers in and around their weight class, and would have to fight well into the "graybeard" point of their career, until at least 37 or 38 Id say. They would have to avenge any loss they had in their prime.
Yeeesh. Yeah, its possible but not very probable.