Just ignore the WBO from now on

I agree with your ratings view. The good thing about the IBO is that their rankings are objective as they are computerized (in a better algorithm than boxrec). The bad thing about the IBO is their champions and their existence as another alphabet org. in itself. Yeah yeah. I'll take Winky again. I don't even like him so much and doesn't really fancy his chances to much due to inactivity but hell.... what are the points for anyway? It's annoying the 5th belt coming through a little is one of the best if not the, in terms of logical justified rankings and such. It's a tricky one, overall I think they're probably soon falter like the others unless they really kept tight to the computerised system. I'd take a reasonably accurate computerised system, over big wigs on a panel making so called "judgement calls on a per case basis" any day. Cool I've sigged it! I think it's a 50/50 fight actually if they both show up in shape.

EDIT: WBO moved the dead guy up it's rankings not IBF, WBC was in alot of controversy with Don king and WBC almost died after the Roy Jones debacle, IBf kept Judah as Champion after losing to Baldo, Bob Arum once stated he had to pay off the WBA for rankings & a WBA judge once went on sports illustrated and said the president of the WBA "encouraged" him to support certain fighters the IBF kept Judah as the champ only because Baldomir forgot to pay their sanctioning fees going into the fight. which I sort of can understand. If you stop paying any of the belts, theyll drop you, and Im fairly sure its always been that way. the WBC is very fishy sometimes.

Explain Beyer (WBC) Ottke (IBF) then. Ottke actually fought a lot top guys. the problem? Ottke got gifts, and was allowed to keep his title multiple times. Beyer faced ok guys too, and didnt have that many consecutive title defences anyway. he fought Bika, Green, Woodhall and Lucas. and he kept his title sometimes because of BS too. that Gregorian guy successfully defended his title against about 4 people that Ive ever heard of(Jakubowski, Martinez, Pituala and Zegan), and only 1 of them was actually ok(pituala). and then he ran into a good fighter in Freitas, and it was bye bye.

Exactly, they're all as bad as each other, there's tonnes of things like this across the board. The WBA look quite profoundly corrupt at the moment, with there own staff not picking up on the dodgy wraps, signing them insisting there ok. The WBA corrupt? Are you kidding me??? They made the incomparable Danilo Haussler mandatory for Mikkel Kessler. After Haussler they promoted Gusmul Perdomo who happens to be Venezuelan where the WBA takes office.......... They also got SUPER champions, REGULAR champions, INTERIM champions, GETTHEPHUCKOUTAHERE champions all in the name of the honest buck.

the IBF had a dead guy as champ? I never heard of that before. but the WBO moved a dead guy up 2 spots in their rankings. Yea that was it, It got mixed up when I tried to recall it I rechecked it.

I only check Ring now, if I go to an abc website to view they're rankings I'm immediately bracing myself for laughter. I'm afraid they're all bad for it, the sport is poor on ranking, mandatories and such. The IBO and Ring are the best going and that says something. Btw, I fancy a punt on my boy PW for 10k, would rather line the pockets of someone I respect, sig it? :cool2: I agree with your ratings view. The good thing about the IBO is that their rankings are objective as they are computerized (in a better algorithm than boxrec). The bad thing about the IBO is their champions and their existence as another alphabet org. in itself. Yeah yeah. I'll take Winky again. I don't even like him so much and doesn't really fancy his chances to much due to inactivity but hell.... what are the points for anyway?

The IBF has the best mandatories in boxing. as shown by their tournameants determining who deserves a title shot. the WBO has had its share of good fighters, but overall they are by far the worst. EDIT: WBO moved the dead guy up it's rankings not IBF, WBC was in alot of controversy with Don king and WBC almost died after the Roy Jones debacle, IBf kept Judah as Champion after losing to Baldo, Bob Arum once stated he had to pay off the WBA for rankings & a WBA judge once went on sports illustrated and said the president of the WBA "encouraged" him to support certain fighters

Its always been the most worthless belt, and its getting worse, amazingly. this is the belt that Calzaghe was able to sit on for years without having a worthwhile mandatory...most of his meaningful title defences were his choice, notthe WBO's. and Zslt Erdie has been fighting nobodies for about 5 years now, he has 11 defences of his title and I doubt 1 of them has even been top ten ranked. and now theyre probebly going to make the Barrera-Khan fight a title fight, despite the fact that Barrera has 0 credible wins at 135 and Khan got knocked out by a mid level fighter in the first round not too long ago. what a joke. The WBO has no historical significance, has the worst mandatories, makes the worst decisions, and overall has the worst champions. its a worthless belt, and I dont consider it a legitimate title belt anymore. so just ignore it from now on. Deffo a worthless belt. Take a look at some Eubank's defences besides his fights with Watson and Benn. John Jarvis,Ron Essett,Dan Sherry,Stretch,Schommer GTFOH

There all rubbish, remember all that stuff with Roy Jones vacating then wanting his belt back it might have been the WBC? and them almost going bankrupt over it because the fighter they installed after Roy Jones vacated got demoted back down to mandatory? WBO also seems to favour warren, there was alot of controversy over Don King and one of the belts at one time. The IBF installed a dead guy as there champion once as well. I may have gotten all of those belts mixed up but all those events happened with one or the other of the 4 belts Exactly, they're all as bad as each other, there's tonnes of things like this across the board. The WBA look quite profoundly corrupt at the moment, with there own staff not picking up on the dodgy wraps, signing them insisting there ok.

There all rubbish, remember all that stuff with Roy Jones vacating then wanting his belt back it might have been the WBC? and them almost going bankrupt over it because the fighter they installed after Roy Jones vacated got demoted back down to mandatory? WBO also seems to favour warren, there was alot of controversy over Don King and one of the belts at one time. The IBF installed a dead guy as there champion once as well. I may have gotten all of those belts mixed up but all those events happened with one or the other of the 4 belts the IBF had a dead guy as champ? I never heard of that before. but the WBO moved a dead guy up 2 spots in their rankings. The WBO twice moved Darrin Morris up in its super-middleweight rankings in 2001, despite the fact that he was dead. Morris was #7 at the time of his death and #5 when the WBO discovered the error. Varcarcel said "we obviously missed the fact that Darrin was dead. It is regrettable." One week after British newspaper The Independent broke the story, one of the three men ranking the boxers, Gordon Volkman, still had not heard that Morris was dead.

yeah its pretty disgusting that they are picking that fight over the JMM-Diaz fight as the title fight. or have they really picked that fight yet? I don't know. JMM-Diaz makes the most sense for the wbo title.

The WBO belt sets that fighter's mandatories. If the fighter does not fight the mandatories, the belt is supposed to strip him. can they at least do their job?Explain Beyer (WBC) Ottke (IBF) then.

Its always been the most worthless belt, and its getting worse, amazingly. this is the belt that Calzaghe was able to sit on for years without having a worthwhile mandatory...most of his meaningful title defences were his choice, notthe WBO's. and Zslt Erdie has been fighting nobodies for about 5 years now, he has 11 defences of his title and I doubt 1 of them has even been top ten ranked. and now theyre probebly going to make the Barrera-Khan fight a title fight, despite the fact that Barrera has 0 credible wins at 135 and Khan got knocked out by a mid level fighter in the first round not too long ago. what a joke. The WBO has no historical significance, has the worst mandatories, makes the worst decisions, and overall has the worst champions. its a worthless belt, and I dont consider it a legitimate title belt anymore. so just ignore it from now on. There all rubbish, remember all that stuff with Roy Jones vacating then wanting his belt back it might have been the WBC? and them almost going bankrupt over it because the fighter they installed after Roy Jones vacated got demoted back down to mandatory? WBO also seems to favour warren, there was alot of controversy over Don King and one of the belts at one time. The IBF installed a dead guy as there champion once as well. I may have gotten all of those belts mixed up but all those events happened with one or the other of the 4 belts

all the belts should vanish except for the ring title of course. but the wbo is no different than the other. the WBO has had alot of worthy champions so i don't know what are you talking about. wba is much worst and the ibf basically don't do shit in boxing.the wbo expands his titles around the world,not only in the US. i don;t even have to mention the wbc. but i agree,they should take all the titles and leave the ring.The IBF has the best mandatories in boxing. as shown by their tournameants determining who deserves a title shot. the WBO has had its share of good fighters, but overall they are by far the worst.

The alphabet belts in itself carries little significance for me and probably little for other hardcorefans as well. The problem is that we are a small minority who doesn't bring the revenue. Heck a lot of hardcore fans will rather watch fights on a decent stream than pay the odd fifty bucks for the PPV. The belts (including the WBO) carries significance for Joe Average as he gets spun into the web created by broadcasters marketing departments convinging poor Mr. Average that he should buy this particular fight as it is a CHAMPIONSHIP fight and hence world class boxing. I only check Ring now, if I go to an abc website to view they're rankings I'm immediately bracing myself for laughter. I'm afraid they're all bad for it, the sport is poor on ranking, mandatories and such. The IBO and Ring are the best going and that says something. Btw, I fancy a punt on my boy PW for 10k, would rather line the pockets of someone I respect, sig it? :cool2:

things do seem to be going full circle, with us being so overwhelmed by alphabet belts that their significance drops and The Ring becomes the one belt (that matters)

Thats a Germany problem NOT a belt organisation problem. The WBO belt sets that fighter's mandatories. If the fighter does not fight the mandatories, the belt is supposed to strip him. can they at least do their job?

The alphabet belts in itself carries little significance for me and probably little for other hardcorefans as well. The problem is that we are a small minority who doesn't bring the revenue. Heck a lot of hardcore fans will rather watch fights on a decent stream than pay the odd fifty bucks for the PPV. The belts (including the WBO) carries significance for Joe Average as he gets spun into the web created by broadcasters marketing departments convinging poor Mr. Average that he should buy this particular fight as it is a CHAMPIONSHIP fight and hence world class boxing. That is why I have no problem with them because really they bring more money and oppurtunity to fighters. Although sanctioning fees are pretty horrendous, but the organizations need to pay for shit too.

all the belts should vanish except for the ring title of course. but the wbo is no different than the other. the WBO has had alot of worthy champions so i don't know what are you talking about. wba is much worst and the ibf basically don't do shit in boxing.the wbo expands his titles around the world,not only in the US. i don;t even have to mention the wbc. but i agree,they should take all the titles and leave the ring.

no, they should all be ignored.the only belt that should have any significance should be the ring belt. Exactly. Fingers crossed that 5 years from now this will be the case.