Comparing Corrales-Castillo II to Nate's performance tonight

If the Corrales-Castillo rematch told us anything, it's that you have a huge advantage when you don't get down to the weigh-in limit while your opponent does. Tonight's Campbell performance tells me he loses to Funeka tonight without those knockdowns, and those knockdowns are the result of one guy making weight and one guy not. To go back to October 2005 before 3/4 of this forum followed boxing... Corrales weighs in at 135, Castillo at 138.5...eerily similar to Funeka and Campbell's weights respectively. In Corrales-Castillo I, both guys weighed in at the 135lb limit and Castillo needed 10 rounds to finally put Corrales down. In the rematch, when he didn't kill himself to make 135, Castillo destroys Corrales with ease in 4 rounds... The point is, I don't think there's any way Campbell drops Funeka if they both weigh in at 135 and thus doesn't win this fight. I'm just trying to show why I think this is nonsense that Nate is getting a free pass for not making weight simply because he's a nice guy that most of the boxing world likes. He got away with murder tonight, and I don't think he won the fight even with the KDs. Oh well, let's stop complaining about weight and loaded gloves and let fighters do whatever they want from now on as long as they're nice guys. But don't worry, we'll make sure to bury Mayweather or Calzaghe if they ever come back and fail to make weight and end up winning a fight. We'll downright crucify those bastards.

Comments (20)

DiegoFuego

What was the financial penalty for not making weight? Did his promoter say what it was? He lost his belts and any shot at money at 135. He will probably make less at 140 since the biggest names are pretty much wrapped up for a while. I didn't read it anywhere. I know Castillo paid dearly for it, but maybe because it was written in the contracts that way. well the problem is Castillo also tried to cheat the scales, which made that an even bigger deal. when he didn't make weight a second time, the entire boxing world was pissed at him. I don't know how Nate paid for it, but I can tell you whatever it was, it wasn't enough to keep this thing from happening. if fighters paid for it, you wouldn't see it happen so much. what I find truly disgusting is that Nate did it after Guzman did it to him; and Corrales, after Castillo did it to him if you come into fight week 4-5 pounds from where you need to be, you are walking a thin line. I don't care if 90% of the boxing world does it, it's wrong.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

I don't agree with coming in overweight. I would never say that. But Campbell paid for doing that by losing his belts. I've watched boxing before you were born Diego :) Then act like you understand how not making weight is an advantage. That's all I ask. I don't care if you like Nate or hate Nate or whatever, but guys need to be called out when this thing happens. I called Castillo out, I called my favorite fighter Corrales out, I called Guzman out and now I'm calling Nate out. Not making weight should not be tolerated and there should be a bigger penalty for it. I'm sick of Nate getting a free pass just because he has like 30 kids and 10 grandkids and is bankrupt.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

Well, he lost his belts. Isn't that good enough for you? I think how much you put on mattered in the Gatti-Gamache fight for sure :) but both guys are legally allowed to put on as much as they want come fight night. that's the point. you are both required to make a certain weight, then you can be whatever you want after that moment. I can't believe I have to explain boxing's rules to members on this forum all the time and why they are in place. it's like UFC got big, then people decided it was too brutal and came over to watch boxing, which at least has some rules.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

Interesting thing Funeka weighed 149 1/2 and Nate weighed 147 on the HBO scales the night of the fight. why do people always bring this up like it matters? it's not how much you put on as much as it is how bad you kill yourself to make weight. I don't care if you weigh 20 pounds more than the guy on fight night, your body goes through some intense shit making the weight. when one guy doesn't get even close to that weight (138 for a 135lb fight?) he has a HUGE advantage on fight night regardless of what both weigh that night.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

Thats because you dont know what the hell you are talking about. The reason most fighters walk around 10-20 pounds over their fighting weight is because the training camp work takes off that weight. You cant go into camp at or near fighting weight, or you would have no weight to lose dumbass. If a 135lb fighter goes into camp at 140 or even 145, and the camp takes 15-20 pounds off him (sparring, mitts, rope, and everything else) he would be dead on his feet, because he would be losing mass, not fat. You think Floyd Mayweather loses 10-20 pounds in a training camp? every day of his life is a training camp. That's what I'm talking about. We need more fighters like him who take the sport seriously, not guys who show up out of shape and expect to be Greek gods 3 weeks later.

17y ago

DiegoFuego

Funeka only wanted to outwork and outbox Nate tonight though so it would have been in his advantage as Nate would have been a little slower. Anyway, this was rather unlike Nate so I think it the weight really worked against him. He was very tired early and later on was utterly exhausted. The weight, and trying to make it obviously drained him quite badly as it's rare to see him that tired. Actually, I don't thin I've ever seen him even cose to be that exhausted in a fight before so the weight eventually worked in Funeka's advantage. Anyway, you yourself just pointed out that if you were in against a guy that was trying to out-work you then you would not want a weight advantage. Funeka was trying to do just that, so you kind of contradicted yourself a bit there mate. Anyway, in a rematch with Nate at weight, not drained, he would have finished off Funeka in the eleventh, instead he could hardly throw anything after that initial volley. I disagree completely. Funeka was not in there to outwork Nate. He had Nate's face busted up and bleeding and was double hooking to the body and head. He was trying to do some damage, not pitter pat all night. And he did a lot of damage, but Nate can take it. I still think without the weight Nate doesn't knock this guy down and loses this fight.

17y ago

BennyST

if you can't make weight, then get to a weight class where you can and stop trying to pick on little guys Nate had always made weight before this fight. Now, at an age where he obviously can't and the usual way of training doesn't do it for him, he has already said he is moving up, so you can't fault him for that. First time it's ever happened and he is moving up to 140 now, a weight which he will be able to make. Anyway, I don't think it was a factor in his win. If anything it was a factor in how close it was because it made it harder for Nate. His stamina was not as good as it has usually been, that much was clear.

17y ago

Antonio

What about Casa/Corrales III then? Regardless, it's unprofessional and not fair because it's breaking the rules. Stripping the titles was just. But when you look at it this way, Campbell was a ball of energy and outworked Juan Diaz of all people in his last fight. This fight he was running on E from round 7 on. You can look at that and say he was drained. I dont see how you can say the extra weight put Funeka down though. Especially when Campbell is a good puncher. Another thing, Funeka weighted more in the ring.

17y ago

BennyST

it depends what kind of fight you're in. if I'm in against a guy like Calzaghe or Byrd who is just there to outwork me, then I don't want to have a weight advantage. if I'm in with a guy who wants to bang and brawl, then hell yeah I want a weight advantage so I can knock him down and hopefully out while I'm behind on points Funeka only wanted to outwork and outbox Nate tonight though so it would have been in his advantage as Nate would have been a little slower. Anyway, this was rather unlike Nate so I think it the weight really worked against him. He was very tired early and later on was utterly exhausted. The weight, and trying to make it obviously drained him quite badly as it's rare to see him that tired. Actually, I don't thin I've ever seen him even cose to be that exhausted in a fight before so the weight eventually worked in Funeka's advantage. Anyway, you yourself just pointed out that if you were in against a guy that was trying to out-work you then you would not want a weight advantage. Funeka was trying to do just that, so you kind of contradicted yourself a bit there mate. Anyway, in a rematch with Nate at weight, not drained, he would have finished off Funeka in the eleventh, instead he could hardly throw anything after that initial volley.

17y ago

OnePunch1099

bad night for juan and/or bad matchup for juan. before the nate fight i considered juan the best at 135 while casa the lineal champ. didn't change for me when nate won. everybody was all on his nuts because he had 3 belts but he didn't earn those 3 belts. juan fought 3 champs to get those belts and nate just beat 1 guy. Runner up for Dumbest Post of All Time

17y ago

OnePunch1099

but Nate's saying the week of the fight he's always about 4-5 pounds heavy at the top of the week. that's just bullshit in my book. by fight week, you should be right there, 1 pound or 2 off, but 4-5 is absurd. I doubt any of you play with your careers like that. if your boss demands you be in at 8:00 every day for one week, I doubt any of you show up at 9:00 or 10:00 without damn good excuses. Thats because you dont know what the hell you are talking about. The reason most fighters walk around 10-20 pounds over their fighting weight is because the training camp work takes off that weight. You cant go into camp at or near fighting weight, or you would have no weight to lose dumbass. If a 135lb fighter goes into camp at 140 or even 145, and the camp takes 15-20 pounds off him (sparring, mitts, rope, and everything else) he would be dead on his feet, because he would be losing mass, not fat.

17y ago

Left_Hook_Tua

Pacman beats Hatton 140. Pacman becomes the man at 140. That's just some straight up common sense. Mosley is the man to beat at WW now Pavlik is the man to beat at MW after beating Taylor Calzaghe after getting a lucky nod over Hopkins and so on like i said......usually for me that's the case. it just wasn't the case for me on nate. another example was baldomir for me. even though he beat judah who was the man i didn't consider him the best in the division.

17y ago

Pullcounter7451

17y ago

JAB5239

If the Corrales-Castillo rematch told us anything, it's that you have a huge advantage when you don't get down to the weigh-in limit while your opponent does. Tonight's Campbell performance tells me he loses to Funeka tonight without those knockdowns, and those knockdowns are the result of one guy making weight and one guy not. To go back to October 2005 before 3/4 of this forum followed boxing... Corrales weighs in at 135, Castillo at 138.5...eerily similar to Funeka and Campbell's weights respectively. In Corrales-Castillo I, both guys weighed in at the 135lb limit and Castillo needed 10 rounds to finally put Corrales down. In the rematch, when he didn't kill himself to make 135, Castillo destroys Corrales with ease in 4 rounds...QUOTE] Difference is, both Castillo and Corrales were younger and moved up in their very next fights. Its harder to make weight the older you get. I don't give Nate a pass for not making weight, but he still did his job. I won't credit him for a big win, but I won't fault him either.

17y ago

Left_Hook_Tua

You thinking is all wrong. No such thing as a fluke when he beat a guy clearly. If you thought Juan was the man at 135 and Nate beat them. Nate is and becomes the man. So what Juan beat 3 champs, Campbell beat his ass. obviously usually the guy who beats the man will be the man in the division. i just didn't feel it was the case in this instance. just because the guy was the best at a division and someone beats him doesn't automatically mean the guy who beat him is the new best fighter in the division. look at hatton vs. pacquiao. hatton is the best at 140 but if pacquiao beats him i'll consider pacquiao the lineal champ but i wouldn't say he's the best at 140.

17y ago

Crazy_Dude

he was being absolutely destroyed before that. he staggered 3/4 of the way across the ring after a punch he took for 9 rounds in the first fight He was staggered by a punch. After that he recovered and went right back to trading punches with Castillo, just like in the first fight. Casamayor doesn't hit as hard as Castillo and Casa had Corrales staggering across the ring when they both made weight. I think the punch that ended it was just perfectly timed and would have been a one punch knockout regardless of weight.

17y ago

Left_Hook_Tua

How is a round 12 decision a fluke. bad night for juan and/or bad matchup for juan. before the nate fight i considered juan the best at 135 while casa the lineal champ. didn't change for me when nate won. everybody was all on his nuts because he had 3 belts but he didn't earn those 3 belts. juan fought 3 champs to get those belts and nate just beat 1 guy.

17y ago

MikeBrew328

I disagree. Corrales was SHOT after the Castillo fight, Castillo hit him with huge shots throughout the first fight and hurt him many times. Corrales went on further than he shoud've in the first fight and went to the edge. I think Corrales would've got knocked out either way. I don't think the weight had really that much to do however being that Castillo attempted to make the weight..

17y ago

Left_Hook_Tua

i don't like campbell , not personally , but as a fighter. i'm glad he embarassed himself. i believe that the diaz win was a fluke. now hopefully we'll see marquez-diaz winner get manny.

17y ago

THE_REED

but he stood up to Clottey's punches a lot longer than that and Clottey is enormous touchette.... does that work there?

17y ago