Who Is Ranked Higher On The ATG List of These 3? (Mosley, Oscar & Tito)

Trinidad may have dominated his fights, but he didnt face the kind of guys that De La Hoya did either. look at the guys that Oscar went to controversial decision with...Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker, and Trinidad himself. Trinidad may have also fought Whitaker, but I believe that Whitaker had been caught with cocaine and might have had to go to rehab before the Trinidad fight. So the Whitaker that Oscar fought was better than the one Trinidad fought. Who knows if Trinidad would have beaten a prime Quartey? and most people have De La Hoya winning the Trinidad fight too. just for the record, I think Trinidad still has the better record at 147. He beat most the guys that DLH did except earlier and more prime, plus guys like Campas and Blocker. but Oscar really isnt that far behind, and you cant completely blame him for his close fights at 147. the thing that puts DLH above Trinidad and Mosley for me is his run at 135 and 140, which was actually pretty good even if he didnt have any huge prime names on there. I don't know, black. We both agree that Tito had the better resume at 147 but I think what he did at 154 and 160 is better than what Oscar did in the lower weights, beating down a prime pound for pounder and ruining him, clearing out the division, another top 20 fighter and murdering beating a respectable champ in Joppy.

i made a thread about this a while back and it had like 20 responses and this one gets 70? WTF!

I think Trinidad, in his prime days he was a beast.

Trinidad may have dominated his fights, but he didnt face the kind of guys that De La Hoya did either. look at the guys that Oscar went to controversial decision with...Ike Quartey, Pernell Whitaker, and Trinidad himself. Trinidad may have also fought Whitaker, but I believe that Whitaker had been caught with cocaine and might have had to go to rehab before the Trinidad fight. So the Whitaker that Oscar fought was better than the one Trinidad fought. Who knows if Trinidad would have beaten a prime Quartey? and most people have De La Hoya winning the Trinidad fight too. just for the record, I think Trinidad still has the better record at 147. He beat most the guys that DLH did except earlier and more prime, plus guys like Campas and Blocker. but Oscar really isnt that far behind, and you cant completely blame him for his close fights at 147. the thing that puts DLH above Trinidad and Mosley for me is his run at 135 and 140, which was actually pretty good even if he didnt have any huge prime names on there.

No...Pea fought the best comp at welter. And I could name others. But anyway, Oscar didn't beat better competition at 147...or 154... As far as Oscar vs Tito I think it boils down to average vs high points, and the fact that Tito dominated, while Oscar eaked out wins. You are right about Pea, he fought Tito, Oscar, JC and Buddy. I forgot the Tito fight!

Like I said, I don't know what to vote yet because I find weaknesses in all. Oscar is a lot of hype (I think his achievements are quite respectful and he in my eyes he ended up actually somewhere in between what he is in terms of skill as talents, and what the cheerleading TV squad made him out to be), Shane fought too many 'dumb' fights (and what about steroids?), and Tito has been just disheartening in some of his performances... If they had the right trainers I bet they would have been Shane > Tito > Oscar. The way it is I am undecided between Oscar and Shane, for the reason I described in the other post. Tito's lack of answers disappointed me. Question to you dazed. Didn'y you find Oscar-Tito a very disappointing moment? It showed in one fight the limitations of two fighters who seemed to be the next greats after the Jones/Toney generation(irony it later turned out the next great was Hopkins, who was older...). Tito inability to change, and Oscar running in the last rounds left me so bitter... Agreed 100%. It took me six years to watch that fight again. Tito looked inept, Oscar like a girl. Just disgusting.

I am also repeating Shane btw, it is a loss though. I understand your argument that Tito beat more good fighters than Oscar did, but I do not go with it, because taking it to the extreme that logic, beating a large enough number of nobodies is better than beating 1 great. The fact that Oscar faced Pea, Ike and Shane (and of course Tito, but that naturally applies to Tito as well, as you point out) makes his competition at 147 simply stellar, the best since Leonard fought Duran and Hearns IMO. No...Pea fought the best comp at welter. And I could name others. But anyway, Oscar didn't beat better competition at 147...or 154...

and of course... always good debating with you!

Like I said, I don't know what to vote yet because I find weaknesses in all. Oscar is a lot of hype (I think his achievements are quite respectful and he in my eyes he ended up actually somewhere in between what he is in terms of skill as talents, and what the cheerleading TV squad made him out to be), Shane fought too many 'dumb' fights (and what about steroids?), and Tito has been just disheartening in some of his performances... If they had the right trainers I bet they would have been Shane > Tito > Oscar. The way it is I am undecided between Oscar and Shane, for the reason I described in the other post. Tito's lack of answers disappointed me. Question to you dazed. Didn'y you find Oscar-Tito a very disappointing moment? It showed in one fight the limitations of two fighters who seemed to be the next greats after the Jones/Toney generation(irony it later turned out the next great was Hopkins, who was older...). Tito inability to change, and Oscar running in the last rounds left me so bitter...

Throw out the fact that they fought each other. And look at the rest of the people they fought at 147. Tito's is better. Sh*t, even beating Anthony Stephens is something. Yes Oscar fought Ike and Pea. Who else? Camacho? Tito fought him 3-4 years earlier. David Kamau? Patrick Charpentier? Come on. Forget the top two names you keep repeating (Ike, Pea...Ike, Pea...) and go down their whole resumes at 147. I am also repeating Shane btw, it is a loss though. I understand your argument that Tito beat more good fighters than Oscar did, but I do not go with it, because taking it to the extreme that logic, beating a large enough number of nobodies is better than beating 1 great. The fact that Oscar faced Pea, Ike and Shane (and of course Tito, but that naturally applies to Tito as well, as you point out) makes his competition at 147 simply stellar, the best since Leonard fought Duran and Hearns IMO.

Interesting question. I'm going with Oscar. Its pretty close between Tito and Shane I think.

BTW, good debate wmute.

please don't tell me YOU count defenses of paper belts... Are you saying Campas and Carr that Tito faced are better than the Pea or Ike that Oscar faced? (not to mention Shane) Seriously? Pea was not the Pea who ridiculized McGirt in their second fight or made an almost prime JC look like Margarito, but he was still a whole lot better than Oba Carr or Campas or anyone Tito fought at 147. Same goes with Ike, and btw he would have been coming off a long layoff against Tito as well. Throw out the fact that they fought each other. And look at the rest of the people they fought at 147. Tito's is better. Sh*t, even beating Anthony Stephens is something. Yes Oscar fought Ike and Pea. Who else? Camacho? Tito fought him 3-4 years earlier. David Kamau? Patrick Charpentier? Come on. Forget the top two names you keep repeating (Ike, Pea...Ike, Pea...) and go down their whole resumes at 147.

I don't agree at all. Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months. please don't tell me YOU count defenses of paper belts... Are you saying Campas and Carr that Tito faced are better than the Pea or Ike that Oscar faced? (not to mention Shane) Seriously? Pea was not the Pea who ridiculized McGirt in their second fight or made an almost prime JC look like Margarito, but he was still a whole lot better than Oba Carr or Campas or anyone Tito fought at 147. Same goes with Ike, and btw he would have been coming off a long layoff against Tito as well.

I understand the yrs later part of Osacr fighting the opponents Tito faced but Oscar was not a WW at teh start of his career. The possibility of facing opponents that Tito had already fought are extremely high considering that Oscar started at 130. If both fighters started at Ww then your argument would be more valid. Bottom line, Tito didn't fight Quartey and fought Sweet Pea 2 yrs after Oscar fought him, so if Osacr fought a shot Pea then Tito is even more guilty of that. BOth Tito and Osacr are faves of mine. My point is that Tito fought far better comp at 147 and above. And he did.

I don't agree at all. Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months. I understand the yrs later part of Osacr fighting the opponents Tito faced but Oscar was not a WW at teh start of his career. The possibility of facing opponents that Tito had already fought are extremely high considering that Oscar started at 130. If both fighters started at Ww then your argument would be more valid. Bottom line, Tito didn't fight Quartey and fought Sweet Pea 2 yrs after Oscar fought him, so if Osacr fought a shot Pea then Tito is even more guilty of that. BOth Tito and Osacr are faves of mine.

1.Oscar,people forget his early lower weight days and the great wins he had at an early age. Oscar moving up in weight from 130-160 slightly moves him up past Felix. 2. FElix "tito" Trinidad, awesome stalking puncher. Ruled the WW division but Oscar put that notion into question. Also fights against Quartey and fighting a Sweet Pea earlier should of been made. 3. MOsley, dominant champ at 135 but opposition was similar to Jones jr competition at LHW. Owns a legit victory over Osacr but also owns a fraud victory over Oscar. Dominant victory over the Torrance Tornado but he is a notch below Tito and Osacr.

154-160 are the divisions where Tito picked the harder fights than Oscar did, but he was also a bit bigger naturally. Oscar had a much tougher run at 147. Pea, Ike, Shane. Tito also retired for reasons that are beyond my understanding, I don't think less of him for doing it, but finishing your career at 28 does not help your case. Anyways, I don't know if and what you voted, but as you can see I did not vote. I don't agree at all. Tito made, what, 15 defenses at 147? Come on. He fought #1 contender Yori Boy Campas who was at the time 56-0 and considered a dangerous, dangerous contender. He also fought another undefeated dangerous contender in Oba Carr. Please note how those two fighters Oscar fought... YEARS later. Furthermore, fighting Whitaker was well-calculated. Most thought Whitaker got the benefit of a close decision against Wilfredo Rivera the first time. While he was better in the rematch, it was obvious he had slipped considerably. This was proved in that horrendous performance against Hurtado before he fought Oscar. FURTHERMORE, Tito and Ike had a deal in place for November 14th (both believing Oscar would never fight them) before Oscar swooped in at the last minute and offered Quartey a FAR better deal for a fight on the 21st. Then proceeded to postpone the fight a few more months afterwards--Ike entered the bout out of the ring for 14 months.

Tito took on the tough challenges in every division he fought in. Oscar, for the most part, avoided the big challenges or feasted on leftovers. I know a bunch of people will throw all these "names" at me that Oscar fought but more important than who is when...story of the Golden Goose's career. 154-160 are the divisions where Tito picked the harder fights than Oscar did, but he was also a bit bigger naturally. Oscar had a much tougher run at 147. Pea, Ike, Shane. Tito also retired for reasons that are beyond my understanding, I don't think less of him for doing it, but finishing your career at 28 does not help your case. Anyways, I don't know if and what you voted, but as you can see I did not vote.

Got it, I was referring to the quality of his competition. Oscar lacks a defining win, since all his 'great' wins (Tito (yes Tito), Pea...) where close to controversial. Specifically for this fight... well we both watched it, and well 'lost' is an interesting way to describe it. Since I was never high on Oscar (not that he is that bad -except for being nervously wasting movements and being one handed- but the commentators' nuthugging was already killing me in that they were trying to selling him as the heart of Jake La Motta with the talent of Roy Jones), at this point Tito stock dropped a lot in my eyes. Because I saw that the little head movement and jab I seen before were completely outdone against elite fighters who moved OR jabbed, which showed later. I know some think he had skills and stopped using them, what I think is that those skills were nothing special and and that point it could be seen. Tito is a fighter with no plan B. So is Shane to a lesser degree. IMO they could have both been better than Oscar, but they were not. Tito took on the tough challenges in every division he fought in. Oscar, for the most part, avoided the big challenges or feasted on leftovers. I know a bunch of people will throw all these "names" at me that Oscar fought but more important than who is when...story of the Golden Goose's career.