Larry says Mayweather beats Pernell Whiitaker and badly

Floyd ducks and waits Whitaker out till he get old and coked up then Floyd takes him on and beats him. Via a boring UD, with his own ref and puts sweatpea in pillow just to be on the safe side.

It is not called 'philly shell', unless they changed the name recently (I haven't beein in a boxing gym in a while.) There is a reason why no one calls it the philly shell, including the Mayweather family, or James Toney. There is also a reason why NONE of the 70s Philly MW fought like that... But... let's talk facts, as I have been doing all the time. I will remind you of my post Did I ever say that Mayweather or Toney should keep that D while fighting lefties? No... Did they dominate those fights after the first few rounds? Yes... Start reading what I write and stop trying to teach me boxing. I find it quite intriguing that you, as a Judah fan would show such a clip as validation of your fighter's skill. Did u see how composed Mayweather was after all those rallies, and how he recovered from awkward situation. This video actually attest to the composure skills of Mayweather under pressure. True, he may not be comfortable fighting Southpaws. But he can handle himself around them. Afterall, HE WON THE FIGHT!!!!!! So this half-baked clip, that doesn't even show the whole picture is wack. I wouldn;t show it, if i was you

man you have a problem Larryx i do have a problem, and you know what it is? i get a kick outta pissing ulitmate fanboys off.

Very true. You will hear many people that think the Mayweather shoulder roll was invented by him or is only used by him. It was used quite a lot by all different fighters from all over the world with great effect many years ago. Also, as with Castillo, I think the demand for the Gattiesque type fighters is so high and they get paid a lot more that guys just don't bother to really try and learn their craft as they used to. Also, and rather obviously, the amount of fighting and sparring has reduced significantly and the fighting skills and experience that is learned through this, and can only be learned through this is lost. LOL. Not only do they think the shoulder roll was invented by him but also the check hook, the pull counter...

Great thread Larryx:boxing:

I wouldn't attribute the lack of skill seen in guys like Arce and Margarito to wanting to be more Gatti-like. Nobody willingly makes themselves into Gatti's. Even Gatti tried to box and boxed better than Margarito or Arce ever could. Some guys are just blessed with good chins and have absolutely nothing else. I'm talking Margarito and Arce among others.

Nowadays you don't see many fighters like JLC at all. It's sad... the diminishing level of skills across boxers is sad. We have a great deal of excellent athletes in the game today, but only a few know how to use those tools effectively. Very true. You will hear many people that think the Mayweather shoulder roll was invented by him or is only used by him. It was used quite a lot by all different fighters from all over the world with great effect many years ago. Also, as with Castillo, I think the demand for the Gattiesque type fighters is so high and they get paid a lot more that guys just don't bother to really try and learn their craft as they used to. Also, and rather obviously, the amount of fighting and sparring has reduced significantly and the fighting skills and experience that is learned through this, and can only be learned through this is lost.

Mayweather is Whitaker with a better offense, plain and simple. That's why Mayweather wins this fight. You can't beat Mayweather without applying hard pressure for 12 rounds.

Ima go with Floyd too. Not becuase of skill or power but because of focus. Sweet Pea BS too much for me to say he could beat floyd. And he as struggled with lesser boxers than floyd too (even thoug it wasn't in his prime). All that dancing and showboating would make him get caught and he didn't come from defense to offense like Floyd either. Also floyd throws single shot agianst fighters who are bigger and got some pop to hurt him. Pea is not bigger nor has the pop to do serious damage to him. Floyd would box with more of jab and more punches if they fought and he would win that inside fight. Whitaker struggled with McGirt twice on the inside in the pocket. No, Whitaker struggled no more than Mayweather did against Castillo and McGirt was, in my opinion, a much better fighter than Castillo. You saying that Pea struggled with lesser boxers than Mayweather doesn't make a lot of sense. You can just reverse it. Mayweather struggled with lesser fighters than Pea and never even fought someone close to his skills. Pea at least fought guys that were as good or better than Mayweather (overall career). Have you seen the Augustus fight? Mayweather struggled with Augustus as much as Pea struggled with McGirt and Pea was screwing around in their first fight. The second he utterly dominated. There was no struggle there. The damage factor is being overlooked. There were many fighters that Pea fought that he couldn't hurt but he beat them all convincingly and made them respect him. Mayweather would not fight that aggressively against Pea, as him becoming more aggressive would allow Pea to get off his counters and fight his fight more comfortably. Mayweather has never fought with a jab very much and he wouldn't suddenly do it in this fight. Pea danced and showboated when he wasn't in a fight or up against an opponent that he really needed to focus on. Go watch his big fights, he doesn't screw around and wouldn't do so against Mayweather. I mean, any decision is good. They're both amazing fighters. From what I've seen of both though, I would go with Pea as I think he had the style to beat Mayweather. The other way is fine though. As Wmute said, anyone that thinks either guy wins easily is just plain wrong. It would be a very hard fight for both.

Actually, yes it is called the philly shell... Shoulder roll refers specifically to defense for right hands. Lets talk about facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67kv-XsM#t=3m11s 3min11sec exactly why the shoulder roll doesn't work against southpaws. It is not called 'philly shell', unless they changed the name recently (I haven't beein in a boxing gym in a while.) There is a reason why no one calls it the philly shell, including the Mayweather family, or James Toney. There is also a reason why NONE of the 70s Philly MW fought like that... But... let's talk facts, as I have been doing all the time. I will remind you of my post Did I ever say that Mayweather or Toney should keep that D while fighting lefties? No... Did they dominate those fights after the first few rounds? Yes... Start reading what I write and stop trying to teach me boxing.

obviously you're not to bright..ducking is apart of rolling..genious ROFL! That might be the funniest thing I have ever heard. I'm done arguing with you, you are hopeless.

did he not get hit 1 time??did he not roll aND DUCK THE NEXT 4 PUNCHES THEN GO TO THE TRADITIONAL GUARD??? Key word is DUCK. Since you are not that bright, let me explain to you. Ducking a punch and rolling a punch are not the same thing.

Actually, yes it is called the philly shell... Shoulder roll refers specifically to defense for right hands. Lets talk about facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67kv-XsM#t=3m11s 3min11sec exactly why the shoulder roll doesn't work against southpaws. that was early in the fight that was either the 2nd or 4th round floyd like alot of other top fighters start off somewhat slow, how good did zab look in rounds 5-11 and the punch in the video is the best punch zab landed and floyd ate it with no problems

he got hit flush..then continued to roll the next 3-4 punches...then he put up his basic guard while smiling Wow, you really are incredible. How can you make a claim that anyone with eyes can see is completely false with their own eyes?

i can see he only got hit 1 time rolled and recovered..you can keep the name calling You made the claim that the shoulder roll worked. It didn't when he did it he got hit.

actually it did work he only got hit 1 time out of 6 punches thrown Are you stupid or just blind? He tried to roll the right, got caught flush with a left, then abandoned the shoulder roll and put up a standard wall.

I don't think that's a fair assessment that it won't work on southpaws as a whole. Floyd did it right in front of Zab. It works best for Floyd when he's on the ropes. Not when standing right in front off opponents...especially Zab who has fast hands. It works anywhere in the ring. It works nowhere in the ring against southpaws and 3:11 that video is why. Instinctively you will try and roll the right hand which against southpaws is a jab, and in the process, you create a nice little opening for a straight left hand to find you right on the chin. You have to realize that the straight left come in from the left side, its not going to deflect off the back of your shoulder, its going to deflect right down the middle into your chin. There is nothing you can do about it other than not fighting out of philly shell against southpaws. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67kv-XsM#t=3m11s

I don't think that's a fair assessment that it won't work on southpaws as a whole. Floyd did it right in front of Zab. It works best for Floyd when he's on the ropes. Not when standing right in front off opponents...especially Zab who has fast hands.

Mel had too much for him. Too much speed, too much stamina, too much heart and too many punches. Buddy landed some nice shots throughout, but every time he did something Mel an answer (or several answers in Taylors case). Buddy probably could have made the final bell though. Strangely enough the ending of that fight was a bit like Hatton/Malignaggi. I think that performance had more to do with Buddy having an off night. He was completely gassed by the 2nd round.

I am old enough to have taken up boxing and quit it too, I don't need you to explain me anything. What YOU need to do is actually read my post, where you would have seen what I have to say on your simplistic equation, when applied to fighters like Toney and Mayweather (as backed up by facts, since the fights you mentioned ended up with the lefties getting hurt), who can do a lot more than fighting from the 'philly shell', which is actually not called the 'philly shell' unless you have taken up boxing in videogames... Actually, yes it is called the philly shell... Shoulder roll refers specifically to defense for right hands. Lets talk about facts. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gww67kv-XsM#t=3m11s 3min11sec exactly why the shoulder roll doesn't work against southpaws.