Hopkins vs Jones Jr in the history books, who will be ranked higher?

B-Hop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IMO, I dont think one is smashing the other in terms of legacy... I think there very close... and whats most important to you, will be who you think has it With Bernard and his longest MW reign, of 20 title defenses... not a TON of stellar competition, but there were some good names... moving up and beating tarver, was huge... pavlik was big, but may be looked in the history books that pavlik moved up 2 weight classes... however bernard was 43... so they may even each other out.. Bernard has a great Legacy... With Roy moving from MW, to SMW to beat the p4p best fighter, to LHW get all the belts, to HW... ruiz or no ruiz, he was a top 5 HW, and roy started at 154... its a big deal people... then moved down and regained the LHW championship... nobodies done that in over a 100 years... so theres A LOT to be said for that... also roy's p4p reign throughout the 90's There pretty damn close guys, you can argue petty differences all day... theyve both done different things, where bernard is mostly noted for his reign in one weight class, and roy for moving through multiple weight classes... there different types of reigns. At the end of the day, when your talking about history, 20-30 years from now... it will be what they accomplished during there reign.. and not what happened after they lost it... Roy accomplished more during his 20's and early 30's.. where bernard accomplished more in his 30's and early 40's. Conclusion... It's fuc.kin close...

B-Hop was too, but in a different way.

Its tough to say. But I watched Roy vs. Tolesco yesterday...roy in his day was pretty damn special.

It's not. The likes of Eastman, Echols, Mercado, Johnson, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Joppy are just as good if not better than Tate, Byrd, Pazienza, Griffin, McCallum, Woods, Kelly etc William Joppy is not as good as Montell Griffin...are you ok? And none of those guys are as good as Virgil Hill...or even Reggie Johnson. Maybe Tito.Come on, man. Jones then has Ruiz, young Hopkins and Toney giving him a slight edge Slight? See above. Then, expanding on what I said above, Hopkins goes and beats Tarver (after Tarver just beat Roy for the 2nd (or 3rd) time), Wright, arguably Calzaghe - but even if you don't believe he won he still deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that fight, and lastly Kelly Pavlik Those wins would all be in Jones's top 5! On what planet?? First of all, Jones - whether he lost to Tarver twice or not - also has a win over him. And it ain't a top five win. Winky Wright? Think you're getting caught up in names again. Winky at 154? Sure. At 170...no way. He's accomplished absolutely nothing there and if Roy ever fought Winky when they were each in their primes people would compalin about a serious size mismatch. Especially if Roy made him move to light heavy! Just wow...

Exclude Pavlik,Calzaghe,Wright and Tarver and Hopkins doesn't have much name power on his resume at all. I thought "name power" didn't matter to RJJ fans??? Isn't that what someone's just been arguing in this very thread?? Hopkins beat just about everyone there was and has some good wins there... not to mention his incredible run He obviously did enough to earn his status as a top 5 middleweight of all time in the mind of the concensus

see that's just misinformed to say something like that Exclude Pavlik,Calzaghe,Wright and Tarver and Hopkins doesn't have much name power on his resume at all.

Bernard Hopkins didn't do much at Middleweight, sorry to say. see that's just misinformed to say something like that

Bernard Hopkins didn't do much at Middleweight, sorry to say. It's only because of his work at 175 will he be remembered for being great. The biggest accomplishment at middleweight was the length of time he held the titles and his physical age while maintaining those titles. Other than that, you're right.

Bernard Hopkins didn't do much at Middleweight, sorry to say. It's only because of his work at 175 will he be remembered for being great.

Yes it is. It's not. The likes of Eastman, Echols, Mercado, Johnson, Trinidad, De La Hoya, Joppy are just as good if not better than Tate, Byrd, Pazienza, Griffin, McCallum, Woods, Kelly etc Jones then has Ruiz, young Hopkins and Toney giving him a slight edge Specifics please? Then, expanding on what I said above, Hopkins goes and beats Tarver (after Tarver just beat Roy for the 2nd (or 3rd) time), Wright, arguably Calzaghe - but even if you don't believe he won he still deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that fight, and lastly Kelly Pavlik Those wins would all be in Jones's top 5! Excuses for weight? When did I do that? size, weight, age etc... Every win can be discredited if you try hard enough. it's redundant discussing that sort of thing as people only twist facts and use them to their advantage

He obliterated Jones' aura of invincibility. I don't like him though, he is so ****en lazy in the ring sometimes. I hope dawson pushes for the knockout next time. Question though, what if hopkins fights and outpoints dawson at this point, even makes it a real close fight? I'd be very impressed. I'm not gonna lie, I learned to respect Bernard Hopkins in 2001. By 2006, I loved him. I think one more big win could conceivably put him over Jones, legacy wise. But he's not there yet. Guys, Jones was the best fighter in the world for a long, long time. Just dominated the sport. And it was a very, very underrated reign. What he doesn't have are the names that maybe Hopkins has but I don't care about that - I look at quality of wins.

Definately Jones Jr. Hopkins' legacy will be based upon his longevity as the undisputed middleweight champ and his ability to at least hang in their with elite fighters much younger than him. However, Bernard isn't going to be known for level of opposition faced and he certainly won't be rememberd for his performances... (with the exception of Pavlik, that will be spoken of for decades I'm sure). Jones Jr. will be known for holding and defending 7 titles at once, his highlight reel knockouts, opposition faced, personality, and showmanship. Last but not least, he beat Hopkins, which may not be very significant in the history books... as its not talked about much anymore.

Man, I love Tarver. So underrated and his mouth is timeless. He killed the legend of Roy Jones. He obliterated Jones' aura of invincibility. I don't like him though, he is so ****en lazy in the ring sometimes. I hope dawson pushes for the knockout next time. Question though, what if hopkins fights and outpoints dawson at this point, even makes it a real close fight?

How come I have to be on the right side, the champion is supposed to be on the left side of the screen, this is so disrespectful. -Tarver the tard. Man, I love Tarver. So underrated and his mouth is timeless. He killed the legend of Roy Jones.

roy beat hopkins and had a far more respectable career.

Yes it is. Specifics please? Excuses for weight? When did I do that? I'm here waiting. How come I have to be on the right side, the champion is supposed to be on the left side of the screen, this is so disrespectful. -Tarver the tard.

heh that was hyperbole for dramatic effect i must admit, but it's not too far from truth Yes it is. and then if you add Hopkins' latter part of his career to that he sky rockets ahead of Jones Specifics please? You want to make excuses about weight issues and stuff, that can be done for Jones' win over Toney too...... however, i won't go into that argument as it's not one i bleieve in but you are slightly hypocritical if you treat that win with reverence and put down some of B-Hop's wins Excuses for weight? When did I do that? I could argue that Hopkins has about 5 wins equivalent to James Toney on his record, whereas that stands neck and shoulders above any over Jones accomplishment I'm here waiting.

RJ. He was on top for a long time, and Bhop was right behind him.

Actually, I don't think a lot of Hopkins' best was past his prime. Hops beat a lot of good opponents from 96-2001. Just my opinion. Tarver was a fantastic win, however and Pavlik to degree. I don't put too much stock into the Winky or Oscar wins. Neither were at their best or anywhere close to it. well I disagree but I definitely see where you're coming from.