They have Calzaghe as ATG but not Mosley? WTF?

just read BoxingScenes Measured ATG for Mosley. While i agree with most of it even the part thats hes not quite ATG material. then i see Calzaghe's and BS has him as ATG, WTF? GTFO. If anything Mosley should be considered a ATG before Calzaghe. Accomplishments even fighters Mosley has faced is way better. Defending your title againest subpars, past prime fighters all your career should hurt you, not bring you ATG status. he should get big credit for unifying the division with Lacy and Kessler but thats about it. the rest of his career is ****. he barely beat Hopkins and fought a Jones past his best days, where in his prime he'd smoke Joe. He's not close to ATG, HOF, yes. noway his resume beats Mosley. I agree with this..

Mosley is a drugs cheat /thread

Mosley is a top 50 atg - no doubt.

Looooooooooooolll

after last night's win, Mosley at 37 beat a Prime ; capable of whooping his ass fighter in Margarito. and Calzaghe's ATG? HAHA

I think both of them don't deserve to be mention on ATG.... i dont either, but i didnt see how they had Cal one when DLH/Mosley weren't considered ATG

mosely has never lost a fight to a man his size...he skipped 140 witch is were he really belongs if he never wasted his body lifting heavy weights... he fough winky and damn near beat him who was at least 2 weight divisions bigger and the same with forrest.. i also had the cotto fight a draw if mosley didint win it by a point..

easy if he stayed away from everyone he would be calzaghe. Imagine Calzaghe on steroids though. He'd be Roy Jones.

Calzaghe > Mosely Calzaghe has faced top competition his whole career. Being the fact he's been isolated in Wales his whole career doesn't benifit him. But he faught the best of the best in European fighters. Face it, you have to be a really, really big foreign fighter to be able to fight in the US. The only fighters now days from half-way across the world that had the blessing of fighting in America are Pacquiao, Hatton, and maybe the Klitschkos. That's pretty much it. If you look at Calzaghe's record, he's faught people with only 1-4 losses, mostly. Go check if you'd like. Those fighters are no push-overs. And those who are saying, "Calzaghe waited for Hopkins and Jones to get old", are completely ignorant. Calzaghe is only 2-3 years younger than Jones, and Calzaghe wasn't even in his prime either. And Hopkins destroyed Pavlik, yet you guys try to say Bernard is a shit fighter? You guys are only trying to come up with lame reasons to discredit foreign fighter, or it maybe even be because he's white. Whatever the reason you have to hate Calzaghe as boxer is most likely not credible.

I wonder where Mosley would be ranked if he'd stayed at LW a bit longer, avoided the much larger Forrest, the much much larger Wright, and if he'd stayed away from the juice. easy if he stayed away from everyone he would be calzaghe.

I wonder where Mosley would be ranked if he'd stayed at LW a bit longer, avoided the much larger Forrest, the much much larger Wright, and if he'd stayed away from the juice.

Mosley is twice the fighter and has fought 10x the competition of Joe "slap whore" Calzaghe.... Mosley's a self-confessed roid abuser too, so I wouldn't be surprised if he was literally twice the fighter Calzaghe is. I regard him the same way I regard Marion Jones, Ben Johnson, Tim Montgomery, Dwain Chambers and countless others who disgraced themselves by becoming drugs cheats. Difference is, the above lost all their medals and records, and their name will be sullied forever, whereas Mosley is still being touted as an "all time great" boxer.

just read BoxingScenes Measured ATG for Mosley. While i agree with most of it even the part thats hes not quite ATG material. then i see Calzaghe's and BS has him as ATG, WTF? GTFO. If anything Mosley should be considered a ATG before Calzaghe. Accomplishments even fighters Mosley has faced is way better. Defending your title againest subpars, past prime fighters all your career should hurt you, not bring you ATG status. he should get big credit for unifying the division with Lacy and Kessler but thats about it. the rest of his career is shit. he barely beat Hopkins and fought a Jones past his best days, where in his prime he'd smoke Joe. He's not close to ATG, HOF, yes. noway his resume beats Mosley. I think both of them don't deserve to be mention on ATG....

I thought it was the WBA who did the dead guy thing. well its probably all of them but i know the wbo did it at supermiddle during joe's reign.

sven ottke clearly is. 21 title defenses of a real belt that actually ranks good fighters not dead people unlike the wbo. not to mention he ko'd the great mundine. I thought it was the WBA who did the dead guy thing.

They both are all time greats... Calzaghe is the best SMW of all time. sven ottke clearly is. 21 title defenses of a real belt that actually ranks good fighters not dead people unlike the wbo. not to mention he ko'd the great mundine.

Having look through the entire thread i cannot find one single poster who thinks Calzaghe is ATG, not one. So why the hell are you guys argueing against nobody and thinking you're winning? Calzaghe is not repeat not ATG standard, we get it, but there is no need to put down other fighters to try and show his resume is filled with bums when it isn't. Actually, he is, using men like Marciano, Holmes and Lopez as barometers for it (which was done). By the time he was done, he had cleaned out 68 and the Hopkins he beat was so old he won every round of his next fight against Pavlik. Calzaghe's problem is that perceptions of him were formed and then he unformed them proving cynics wildly wrong. Now, is he some top ten or twenty ATG? No. But in the next 50-100. Yes, and his stature will grow as 168 continues to mature. And to the author of the thread above...there was clearly no racism in your starting the thread. Disagreement is human and fun and if everyone agreed with everything I wrote, what a broing world it would be.

He's from jersey, alot of morons live here. And people might be shocked, but the school I went to when I was younger in high-school had alot of racism in it too. Their were alot of race fights(I wasn't apart of any of them). White Skaters vs blacks, what stopped the race problems in my school is that the white skaters, had black skaters who intervened and stopped this bullshit fighting between the two groups I say it's a shock, because I don't think people expect much racism up north east of the country. my thread was never based on racism. check yaself. i clearly stated my agruement and it never involved racism. please read next time.

i gotta agree mosley is more deserving of the two co-sign Calzaghe never relied on steroids in order to win his biggest fights Dude! don't lose perspective. You can't deny his overall talent displayed in the ring throughout his whole career because of his DLH 2 confession!!! http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp312/anonymousboxing/pacman.gif

We do exist though! Lol. Being Welsh doesn't necessarily make me a Calzaghe nuthugger! I know you guys do. Matter of fact, where is abadger? I miss him.