So what in your opinion could Shane Mosley do to be effective or even win?
At this stage of the game I don't think it's any secret that Shane needs to minimize the exchanges between he and Antonio. Don't feed Antonio's adrenal glands, don't let emotions take over. With Cotto and Antonio it was almost like a race against the clock after the first round to see if Cotto could get through twelve rounds before getting tracked down. Cotto tried to either box or punch without using a lot of other tactics. Just throw punches or move out of the way but in a pro fight that's only a small part of the plan. Shane has a few more tricks up his sleeve in that regard than Cotto and I would suggest he use them. Think Toney-Barkley without as much hanging on the ropes.
I wouldn't suggest boxing and retreating too too much, but rather let Shane use angles and side steps and maneuvers on the inside, subtle stuff that would allow him to take some of Antonio's momentum away. Have Shane use a stiff jab, try to win on points, try to use skills and style and finesse. Force Antonio into mistakes and capitalize on them without getting too anxious.
Oh, yea, and be in great shape, too, because Margarito is going to bring it hard all night long!
Shawn,
I agree with you wholeheartedly. I am a sterngth & conditioning coach and have worked with fighters. Looking at Margarito's frail structure and knowing Shane's power-lifting background, I think Shane should take full advantage of that and try to wear down Antonio on the inside. That's just common sense and any competent trainer should know that. Kudos to you for your astute observation!
poor guy i feel bad for you. I will keep your screen name in mind so i can look for you when i get back on sunday. Shane beat margarito??? :lol1: :lol1: :lol1: maybe you should watch shane vs cotto, shane vs mayorga again so you can come back into reality and talk with some sense. Use whatever excuse you want for shane but mayorga was there to make shane looks spectacular and shane looked like shit! Lets not forget it was the same mayorga dlh and tito humilated on ppv years ago, it was the same mayorga that an out of shape vargas looked good infront of him. Shane got his chance after all of that, mayorga was fuken left overs to trick people into thinking shane was still a beast and it only showed that shane is closer to retirement than he is to a world title. Shane himself wasn't too confident in himself in the post fight interview, he knew what had happened that night, and it wasn't what was supposed to happen. Never has shane been so close to being stopped than he will be on saturday. Vernon forrest all over again for shane but in more devastating fashion!
Have fun at the fights man, I ain't going after all but I'll be watching on TV this weekend. I think Toño's gonna light him up with the upper and hard body shots ala Vernon Forrest.
I agree with a lot of the comments except for the one about how Shane should wrestle with Antonio...maybe that was a wrong choice of words or something but...wrestling with another boxer is VERY tiring...very much so...a guy like Antonio would LOVE for Shane to wrestle on the inside with him...it's why I say Shane can be on the inside but he should MANEUVER, not wrestle.
I didn't mean he should try and out muscle him, but tie him up and constantly check his balance. Push him a bit, when he pushes back, turn him a little so he is pushing himself off balance. He needs to be implementing a lot of the techniques of force redirection they teach in judo. He needs to be using Margo's size and strength against him.
He needs to throw I'd say...at least 650-700 punches in the fight. Probably more. He needs to get off first and make Margarito look like the Mexican that he is. If he can take away Margarito's offense he's got a good shot. I beieve he can do that was Naz Richardson in his corner.
I agree with a lot of the comments except for the one about how Shane should wrestle with Antonio...maybe that was a wrong choice of words or something but...wrestling with another boxer is VERY tiring...very much so...a guy like Antonio would LOVE for Shane to wrestle on the inside with him...it's why I say Shane can be on the inside but he should MANEUVER, not wrestle.
True but he's gonna have to clinch if Margarito gets him outta position against the ropes. Wrestling, probably not a good idea but a little holding at certain times could serve him well. It will be interesting to see if Margarito has a reaction when Mosley lands the first few clean power punches. If Mosley can gain even a little respect from Tony it may serve him well to keep Tony from getting relentless. I have to say tho Tony is underrated in many areas, not that he's devastating in any one area but he damn good in many. I really hate to see Mosley go out via a beating but this will be one tough fight for him and win or lose he's probably gonna take one .
I think Mosley has more of a chance to win this fight then ppl give him credit for. He's still got more skills then Antonio Margarito will EVER come across in his life at the young age of 36. He needs to do a few things tho consistently to even give him a chance of winning.
Circle Circle Circle and then Circle some more. Angles and more angles as Ice already put it. It's not a lie that even myself could land at least 1 3 punch combination of Marg. The guy doesn't possess any defensive ability. As long as Shane can continue to move around the ring and get off first, he will score with absolute ease. The most important thing is that he flurries and then moves to his left. If he squares up which at times he tends to do, he's in trouble. Cotto made so many mistakes in his fight, that by the 5th round, you almost knew the fight was eventuallly going to be stopped. You can't stop and exchange and square up and expect not to get hit, especially with Cotto's defensive abilities. Shane needs to move around the ring the entire night, controlling the distance and make Marg continue to find him all night, of course, not allowing Antonio to find anything but counter right hands.
Another thing, when has Mosley's stamina ever really been in question. I have never seen him not in tip top shape for a fight. Now maybe not on his best as we've seen in the Mayorga fight, but always in tip top shape. Another, Mosley will not be Ko'ed in this fight. Hes been hurt once, and if by hurt u mean completely out cold for about 3 secs, then he was hurt. He got up n finished the next 8 rounds. I believe it was the 3rd round of the first Vernon Forrest fight.
Mosley needs to use his hand speed to win this fight. He can't be macho, and square up, he squares up, he loses this fight hands down. He gives angles, cirlces and counters a fighter who in actuality is tailor made for a counter punching boxer. Look for overhand rights to land at will all night for Shane, the bottom line is will he be able to keep Marg off of him for 12 long hard rounds, bc thats what it is going to be when your in there with Margarito!
I agree with a lot of the comments except for the one about how Shane should wrestle with Antonio...maybe that was a wrong choice of words or something but...wrestling with another boxer is VERY tiring...very much so...a guy like Antonio would LOVE for Shane to wrestle on the inside with him...it's why I say Shane can be on the inside but he should MANEUVER, not wrestle.
That's all well and good but Mosley isn't the type of guy who wants to outbox his opponent and he very rarely works behind a jab. Stylistically this fight is a nightmare for him and that great chin of his could be a curse in this fight.
Angles aren't going to be enough. The outcome of this fight is going to depend in large part on how well Shane can tie up Margo.
To win this fight Shane needs to be able to keep the disparity in work rate to a minimum. Normally you would do this with feints, but since Margo thinking nothing of getting hit, Shane is going to have to tie him up frequently, wrestle around with him, and make the fight ugly every once in a while.
Combine that with boxing and I think Mosley can pull out a win.
Definitely, tying Margarito up would be a very good idea for Mosley, I think he should fire off a few body shots before tying Margarito up, can't stay in there too long though because of Margarito's uppercuts. But the problem here is Mosley's mentality, he likes to brawl, he isn't much of a clincher.
Wrestling with Margarito is not the way to go though, Margarito is naturally bigger, it would tire Mosley out.
Most of the time, the more boring the fight is, the better it is for Margarito's opponents.
I agree with that. The angles and sidesteps are particularly important IMO, if Mosley lets Margarito find his distance, like Cotto did as the fight went on, he'll be in trouble.
Angles aren't going to be enough. The outcome of this fight is going to depend in large part on how well Shane can tie up Margo.
To win this fight Shane needs to be able to keep the disparity in work rate to a minimum. Normally you would do this with feints, but since Margo thinking nothing of getting hit, Shane is going to have to tie him up frequently, wrestle around with him, and make the fight ugly every once in a while.
Combine that with boxing and I think Mosley can pull out a win.
I agree with that. The angles and sidesteps are particularly important IMO, if Mosley lets Margarito find his distance, like Cotto did as the fight went on, he'll be in trouble.
He's gotta stay in boxing mode. Stickin and movin. Throwin punches only in flurries. Mixin body shots into his combos. No standin and tradin, no tryin for a KO, no tryin to match Marg's workrate. Make all his shots count and don't waste any energy. If he could do this all nite he'd win, but I don't think he can.
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