Better Resume: James Toney Vs Roy Jones Jr

hopkins, tarver, toney, ruiz > holyfield, jirov, barkley, mccallum toney beat ruiz too although it was changed to a NC of course..but he fought ruiz and beat his ass during the fight. but to answer your question, i say roy.

toney has one of the worst resumes in boxing, this is an embaressing thread and a disgrace to roy jones jr. toney p4p best bum beater. I'm shocked by this post and the results of the poll to be perfectly frank. :stupid:

Of course, your right. Both fighters loses have to be took into consideration. It can be argued that Toney only has one legit loss on his record and that was to Roy. Roys been brutaly KO'd twice and lost two very clear decisions too. Ive got Toneys career set and i have to say i think he only lost two fights. The fight with Roy and one of the Peter fights. I had him losing to Oquendo too but thats went down as a win for him. That depends on if you think he beat Tiberi,Rahman 1,McCallum 1 & 2, Griffin 1 & 2,Peter 1 & 2. I thought he lost majority of those fights he lost clearly to Drake Thadzi a journeyman and he was in shape for that apparently.

toney has one of the worst resumes in boxing, this is an embaressing thread and a disgrace to roy jones jr. toney p4p best bum beater. Early April fools?

12-9, hm close

It's Jones to me.

10-6 for Roy, wow .........

Roy, but closely imo.

Roy Jones is rater higher ATG because he has the better resume. Simple. And not not just because he beat Toney either--I don't recall anyone saying Vernon Forrest has a better resume than Shane Mosley just because he won. I don't know how you guys create your resume but losses don't count. You don't get an A for effort. Michael Nunn is James Toney's best win IMO and that is outdone by Roy Jones' victory over...James Toney. McCallum and Jirov have to be considered Toney's next best wins. I'm not sure why anyone would list Reggie Johnson for James Toney and not Roy Jones. Johnson at 160 was one heck of a fighter (beating Steve Collins, for instance) but he was pretty damn good at 175 as well--his highlight reel KO of William Guthrie stands out to those who remember Guthrie had been hailed as the man to defeat Roy Jones. And while Toney barely edged Johnson (getting dropped in the process), Jones dropped him twice and didn't lose five seconds of that fight. He was just on another plane. I think debates like this occur because one fighter ages quicker due to styles. And fans either forget or weren't fans that long. That doesn't change facts and what one 's accomplished. I doubt those who pick Toney would pick Foreman over Ali ;).

ill give credit to roy though, he was the only man to ever dominate james toney toney has had other losses, but they were all close, the only unquestionable loss he suffered was at the hands of roy thatgoes for bernard as well

He's been blew out a few times dude and ive saw him schooled a few times too. He was B-level at best. at the time roy fought him malinga had suffered mostly UD and MD losses, he was never stopped and roy stopped him in 6... anyways, i dont thikn malinga should be the focal point of this thread... i gata go tho! been on here all day! see ya guys

He's been blew out a few times dude and ive saw him schooled a few times too. He was B-level at best. well, Maligna was at least as good as someone like Robin Reid...maybe Im getting mixed up, but Im pretty sure Maligna beat him to become champ.

Ltes also take note, that after that fight, Bernard didnt lose a fight.. for about 12 years... he couldnt of been THAT bad... Roy also progessed immensly after that fight as well... eh. Im not saying that Bernard was a bad fighter at that point...but he did struggle with Mercado I think about 2 years later, and I personally thought it took about 3 or 4 years for Hopkins to enter his prime after the Jones fight, starting around the Glen Johnson win. ....but that version of Bernard would probebly have lost decisively to prime Nunn and near prime McCallum speaking of guys roy smashed, he really did a number on Sosa, and he was supposed to be an incredibly durable fighter. Roys domination has to give him extra points, although at the same time its very unlikely that he would have dominated guys like prime Nunn.(he did have trouble for a while with Harding, who was a comparable fighter)

Roy has also been brutaly KO'd twice that should be factored into this too. there two completely different resumes, who accomplished different things in there careers, its hard to compare them, but of course you would have to take his losses into consideration, as long as u take toneys...

im leavin for now... jus so u know im not duckin responses :kiss:

He was never blown out though, never stopped... im not touting Malinga as a "great" fighter... but he was a very good fighter, and could hold his own in the ring.... and roy completely smashed him.

Ive also heard that Roy fought most of the fight with a broken hand, which is notable. but still, overall the Hopkins that Roy fought wasnt all that great. it took him quite a few more years before he started entering his prime. Ltes also take note, that after that fight, Bernard didnt lose a fight.. for about 12 years... he couldnt of been THAT bad... Roy also progessed immensly after that fight as well...

i voted for roy but now that i see the list i think toneys is a little better, but saying that i still think jones will be remembered more favorably

just for reference Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 1998 before he unified all 3 belts. 1. Roy Jones Jr. 2. Dariusz Michalczewski 3. Reggie Johnson 4. Graciano Rocchigiani 5. Lou Del Valle 6. Eric Harding 7. Montell Griffin 8. Michael Nunn 9. Antonio Tarver 10. David Telesco Ring Rankings at Light Heavyweight in 2003 his last year as Champion. Roy Jones Jr., Champion 1. Antonio Tarver 2. Julio Cesar Gonzalez 3. Dariusz Michalczewski 4. Glen Johnson 5. Eric Harding 6. Clinton Woods 7. Silvio Branco 8. Montell Griffin 9. Richard Hall 10. Mehdi Sahnoune people always talk about tomato cans... but he did fight most of the 10 in his division... this probably has nothing to do with this thread though :rofl: i just wanted to list it :)

Maybe I'm misinterpeting this whole thing but I thought this was about who has the more experience based on their resume.....meaning number of fights, quality of opposition, at what weight class and so on. Clearly Toney has put more rounds in the boxing ring with top fighters at a wider range of weight classes than Roy....hence he has the better,longer, more diverse resume. Basically what would Roys record be if he fought all of Toneys opponents at those weights? Certainly not 71-6 if you ask me.