Seriously, I'm not a Margarito hater, I love watching the guy fight. However, he's speed compared to Pacquiao's is laughable. If Oscar would have been able to cope with Manny's speed, he may have KO'd Manny. We know what happened there.
I'm not "overrating" the win over Oscar. It's the speed factor.
Uhm no?
um no.
not for nothing but do you even watch the sport. Here let me show you why I ask.
he needed 1000 Punches to drop Cotto
and who is the only man to actually ever stop Cotto let alone beat him. Not Judah not Mosley no one has beaten and stopped Cotto yet you make it sound like it's an easy feat
who has been like 8 times on the floor and also hurt a lot of times by other opponents.
uh he has been down officially once in his career prior to Margarito, hurt by Corley (who caught him on the temple), Judah and Torres (who can flat out crack)
8 not equal to 1
and three does not equal a lot
Pacman weighted 147 while fighting at 135, against Hatton he will weight more and at a possible bout with Margarito at 147 he will come in at 155-160.
uh Manny weighed about 148 the day of the fight for a 147lb sanctioned fight against DLH so how you figure he will now weight between 155-160 is beyond me.
Which quality opponent apart from chinny c grade Cintron has Margarito ever knocked out quickly?
ok who besides Margarito has knocked down Cintron?
Margarito couldn't hurt a non throwing Clottey with 1600+ punches
you do realize that Clottey has never been hurt or dropped in his career right? no one
get your facts straight
not in there match up,
less point if the boxer was knockdown.
therefore like you said PACMAN win the fight, PACMAN kicks jmm ass.
yeah I know that but see this is why a lot of people don't want to give Pacman credit for his win over Marquez. 4 Knockdowns and Pacman only squeeks by with a one point win?
you could at least admit that Marquez has an argument for saying he won the fight.
This isn't an excuse Pacman won the second fight and I gave him all the credit in the world, but I would you like to admit that JMM won more rounds against pac eve though he still has a 0-1-1 record against him.
In any other matchup the fighter who wins more rounds usually wins the fight.
not in there match up,
less point if the boxer was knockdown.
therefore like you said PACMAN win the fight, PACMAN kicks jmm ass.
The sooo much bigger Cotto you say got hurt against Mosley, badly against Judah, knocked down and hurt multiple times against Torres and by others.
Margarito needed 1000 punches to knock him down.
Pacs chin is much harder to hit, cuz he is smaller and has a better defense than Cotto. Margarito is ****ing slow.
Pacquiao comes in as a fully welterweight if they fight.
stfu
And what exactly is your point when you say it took Margarito 1000 punches to knock out Cotto when Margarito is the only person in the world to do it.
Not Mosely, Not Judah, Not Torres, NOBODY!!!!!!!
in your dreams that jmm wins, in reality? PACMAN, dont make some excuses.
This isn't an excuse Pacman won the second fight and I gave him all the credit in the world, but I would you like to admit that JMM won more rounds against pac eve though he still has a 0-1-1 record against him.
In any other matchup the fighter who wins more rounds usually wins the fight.
did you say clottey and cotto???they both are bigger than pacman..margo would ko pacman brutally
The sooo much bigger Cotto you say got hurt against Mosley, badly against Judah, knocked down and hurt multiple times against Torres and by others.
Margarito needed 1000 punches to knock him down.
Pacs chin is much harder to hit, cuz he is smaller and has a better defense than Cotto. Margarito is ****ing slow.
Pacquiao comes in as a fully welterweight if they fight.
stfu
spot on..think about it jmm was floored 3 times in the first fight and it was a draw..scond fight he was floored and it was a split decision...translation-jmm kicked pacmans ass
I dont wanna say that he kicked pac's ass since he failed to actually win a fight, but it's fair to say if Pacman didn't have freakish punching power he might not even be in the Top 10 PFP list because JMM would have schooled him twice.
You Pac man fan's have to admit that iwhen JMM wasn't being knocked to the canvas he was systamatically handing Pacman an ass whooping.
Uhm no?
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Which quality opponent apart from chinny c grade Cintron has Margarito ever knocked out quickly?
The same could be said about any of the elite Welterweight fighters right now so whats your point?
None of the current crop of welterweights have ever knocked out a quality opponent with just one shot. Thats the diffrence between journeymen and Worlclass boxers....they don't get knocked out with just one clean punch.
yea but that 15th punch will lay pacman out cold
Uhm no?
Margarito isn't a devastating puncher, he needed 1000 Punches to drop Cotto who has been like 8 times on the floor and also hurt a lot of times by other opponents.
Pacman weighted 147 while fighting at 135, against Hatton he will weight more and at a possible bout with Margarito at 147 he will come in at 155-160.
Which quality opponent apart from chinny c grade Cintron has Margarito ever knocked out quickly?
Margarito couldn't hurt a non throwing Clottey with 1600+ punches
i remember those times when pacquiao was criticized by so called boxing experts against barrera, morales, diaz, marquez, DLH, and Hatton, they all say PACMAN not gonna win, look at him now he beat them all and compared to Hatton, pacman is more favored to win. And now you compare pacman against cotto? or marg? its hard to tell who's gonna win, maybe you gonna eat your words again.
De La Hoya was a wieght drained old man agains pac margarito is a whole different level pac is overated he lost both fights to jmm and 4 years ago he took a beating from a faded morrales i dont think he could last more than 6 rounds with marg, even if pac hit him a thousand times, getting in the ring with marg would be a joke
to all so called "BOXING EXPERTS", how many time did Manny Pacquiao make you eat your own words? before the fight you says that PACMAN cant win, then after he wins all of you make some fckng excuses,.
the Marquez rematch where Pac got shook plenty times trading with Marquez.
True, Margarito is certainly slower than Marquez, although presumably much stronger.
Guys you're all arguing the wrong points. The main issue isnt about speed, size or power. Those are all givens. Everyone knows Pac is faster than Margarito. Everyone knows Margarito is bigger and stronger than Pacquiao.
The "X" factor that will determine the outcome of this fight will be durability.
Margarito is a machine with a jaw of titanium but we've seen him get outboxed on more than just 1 occasion. But since he's such a machine his opponents(most notably Cotto) eventually folded under the punishment.
Everyone would know Pacquiao's plan, everyone would know Margarito's plan.
The million dollar question is whether or not Pacquiao can withstand enough punishment to hang in there for 12 rounds and carry out his plan. If he can, he wins, if not, Margarito withers him.
As of right now i dont think Pacquiao doesnt stand much of a chance, but in about another year we might see a bigger, buffer Pacquiao and we'll have a better gauge on how he would actually do against Margarito.