Who has the better resume in your opinion; Calzaghe or Tua

yea but look how he beat him lol, he was more active but I swear most of those punches didn't land. watching the highlights you can see he doesn't even land them. Know why? Because he can't box. This Zaghe guy and Oscar de La Hoya killed boxing's credibility in the new millennium. I wish Dawson lands fights with Bernard and Jones and you'll see what exactly Joe beat. They are both fighters who shouldn't be fighting. Joe Calzaghe is a fighter but he doesn't think or act like one. He didn't prove nothing by beating who he beat. Best win is Hopkins but Hop was 43 years of age. Jones didn't mean shit, Lacy and Kessler went on to do nothing relevant. Hardly indicators of a great fighter wouldn't you say? Had Joe been black or latino he would have no fame or support whatsoever, not even in Europe.

Hey that 43 year old man is not any average ''43'' year old man the fight after Calzaghe he didn't do to bad beating the ''undisputed'' MW champion of the world the young, hard hitting, pound4pound fighter ''Kelly Pavlik'' virtually winning every round and putting on a boxing clinic. Hopkins is always going to be a hard fight for any1 the fights before Calzaghe he'd beat Tarver and Wright back 2 back so don't take Joe's win away just because of Hopkins's age.And hey lets be onest Tua hardly got Michael Moorer at his best. yea but look how he beat him lol, he was more active but I swear most of those punches didn't land. watching the highlights you can see he doesn't even land them.

Prime Lennox > than anyone Joe fought. Please bring up the corpse of Roy or the 43 year old man so we can all have a laugh. Hey that 43 year old man is not any average ''43'' year old man the fight after Calzaghe he didn't do to bad beating the ''undisputed'' MW champion of the world the young, hard hitting, pound4pound fighter ''Kelly Pavlik'' virtually winning every round and putting on a boxing clinic. Hopkins is always going to be a hard fight for any1 the fights before Calzaghe he'd beat Tarver and Wright back 2 back so don't take Joe's win away just because of Hopkins's age.And hey lets be onest Tua hardly got Michael Moorer at his best.

Give me a break. Guys like David Starie, Will Mcintyre, Tocker Pubwill, Miguel Angel Jiminez, Rick Thronberry, and Lucniano Torres count as stellar opposition. Pass the Kool aid. I never said guys like David Starie, Will Mcintyre, Tocker Pubwill, Miguel Angel Jiminez, Rick Thronberry, and Lucniano Torres were stellar opposition.But Tua weren't excatly fighting world class oppostion every time in Garing Lane,Russell Chasteen,Danell Nicholson,Talmadge Griffis, and Shane Sutcliffe.

Left Hook Tua was criticizing the level of opposition that Calzaghe fought which is why CastorTroy made this thread (as a response) so I would say that it's about who they fought. Calzaghe obviously achieved more in his career but Tua fought the best heavyweights in his prime. To be onest didn't know what resume he ment (winning or just fought) so i just assumed he ment wins, so i think that overshadowed my view on who they have fought. But for who they have just fought it interesting, Calzaghe's best are .Roy Jones Jr .Bernard Hopkins .Mikkel Kessler .Sakio Bika .Jeff Lacy .Charles Brewer .Chris Eubank And Tua are .John Ruiz .Oleg Maskaev .Ike Ibeabuchi .Hasim Rahman .Lennox Lewis .Fres Oquendo .Michael Moorer .Chris Byrd I think Joe has the two best names in Jones/Hopkins, but yes i guess you could say Tua fought his names more in their prime but Calzaghe fought Hopkins in his 2'd prime, Kessler in his prime, Lacy in his prime, and Bika in his prime.And yet it also not really fair on Calzaghe as Kessler and Bika are only in their prime of there careers so who knows what they could go on to do but as of right now they have a great legacy but that could come. But yes overall Joe's beat the better resume and has the 2 best names but you could say overall Tua have fought the better fighters.

No I just have a different definition of resume than you do. We've already been over the world champions the guy beat. They had titles sure, but they were craptucular. To try to make them seem like anything else is disingenuous|Well when someone asks about my resume I don't tell them about exams I failed, lets put it that way.

Resume in this case is who you've faced. Not beaten. When I think of resumes, I also think of just who you've fought. Too many people confuse resumes with talent level. Tua has a PHENOMENAL record, but he's not championship material. Emanuel Augusts is the same way... one of the best resumes in boxing, but only one belt (IBF I think) and nearly as many losses as wins.

i also say that beating bernard alone is enough to pass anything tua has done.

you that critizize joe and say that lacy and kessler are his best wins are not thinking properly. if you are not including bernard(even a 42 year old bernard) then you are a hater and it does not matter what joe does you will not give him credit. hopkins is p4p fighter even more so today then he was 10 yrs ago.

Resume in this case is who you've faced. Not beaten.So In your opinion Tua and by association Tucker dispite never beating anyone of any note or holding a title much less defending one, or even coming close to beating any of the top people in their division still has a better resume than a guy who's beaten 9 world champions including a guy who as we sit beer in hand is ranked No4 P4P? Bz you hate better than anyone I know :beerchug:

Calzaghe went life and death with the great Robin Reid. Was dropped by the corpse of Roy Yones. Dropped by a 43 year old Bernard Hopkins who is not known for his power. Dropped by the monster Kabery Salem in his prime. Dropped by world beater Byron Mitchell in his prime. Yawn.Whats that got to do with saying someone is good because they lost soundly to a very good fighter. Tony Tucker went 12 rounds with Tyson and Lewis but i don't see him in any P4P lists or talked as a world beater, like Tau he never held a world title either. the Idea that a heavy loss no matter who the loss is too can be better than any win on another guys resume is retarded at best.

When tua fought, he was fighting in one of the weakest heavy-weight division in history, and he still lost. He had a draw with Hasim Rahman too.

Prime Lennox > than anyone Joe fought. Please bring up the corpse of Roy or the 43 year old man so we can all have a laugh. Tau lost to Lewis, by 8, 10 and 11 rounds. he could have Ali on his resume it's make a blind bit of difference if he hadn't beaten him, or at least had a close fight.

Seeing how the heavyweight division is ass, Calzaghe should be winning this poll.

I think anyone who fought Ottke in Germany without blackmailing the Judges first need their head examined, that guy had 5-6 wins on a par with valuev and the Reid and first Brewer fight was two of the worst disicions I have ever seen. I have only seen the highlights of the Shieka/Glen fight not the entire fight, in 2000 I was sat in the med on a warship for the last 6 months of the year (start June -start Dec) and had to rely on my dad sending out VHS tapes. But having watched the Skeika/johnson fight and the Shieka/Calzaghe fight on the same tape or at least in the same batch of tapes i don't think Johnson would have lasted 6 rounds against Calzaghe at SMW. why what's gonna happen? some type of meteor gonna hit him?

resume is actually winning fights. calzaghe by far Calzaghe has 5 "good" wins then, he still falls short Hopkins (older but good) Jones Jr (shot as fk, not a big accomplishment unless you want to proclaim Tarver the GOAT) Eubank (don't know much about him but I've heard his name a lot so i m assuming its one of his decent wins) Kessler (unproven, but undefeated) Lacy (decent win, nothing special) not a great resume, 2 of those fighters were very past prime or coming off losses, Lacy has since been proven to be a hypejob, Kessler still hasn't proven anything. So he has one really good win, Bernard Hopkins - and it was an ugly one at that, a fight he got awarded points for not even landing,

Opposition faced, Tua. Opposition defeated, Calzaghe.

Download the torrent. And I don't think much of Joe's "best competition either". Lacy was shit and Kessler hasn't beaten anyone. But the bulk of his WBO reign is filled with shitty nobodies and skilless losers. The rest of it is mediocre at best. He gets credit for longevity which is still an accomplishment even with good matchmaking that's hard to do at some level. And he's very skilled. But arguing that he has had great competition is pretty sad. I agree. Calzaghe deserves credit for being unefeated, but facts is, he's fought bums or passed it old men. His best wins are against Kessler and Lacy. I mean that is not much to write home about

Just watch the whole fight. Score it. And let me know if you think Sheika wins that at all. I'm not going to do a styles makes fights troll comment but I will say Glen Johnson > Robin Reid who gave Joe hell.Why not you do it all the time by pointing out Calzaghe's 5 worst opponents as champions even though 3 are madetory's and Starie was pulling a froch and calling him out every day of the week. I Think that might be why Calzaghe get so pissed with Froch actually. Anyway i'm off to try and find a Youtube showing the fight.

Well for a start i don't know whether it's resume of wins or just fought? but if its who's fought the better oppostion it Calzaghe and better wins its Calzaghe. But Tua' Resume of opponets it pretty good aswell he fought 7 former wolrd or undisputed champions and out of the 7 he's beat 4 which is pretty impressive and he's beat some decent/good contenders in David Izon,Darroll Wilson,Obed Sullivan,Robert Daniels,Danell Nicholson,Fres Oquendo,and fought some very good contenders especailly Ike Ibeabuchi one of the biggest ''What if's'' in boxing and in a fight which could of gone either way.So even do Calzaghe's is better its not by margins apart and i always thought Tua was worthy of a world title. Left Hook Tua was criticizing the level of opposition that Calzaghe fought which is why CastorTroy made this thread (as a response) so I would say that it's about who they fought. Calzaghe obviously achieved more in his career but Tua fought the best heavyweights in his prime.