Joe Louis had an amazing record

Good thread Irish. Joe is my alltime favourite HW. THose combinations he threw were just so fast and accurate. I have never seen another heavy throw as fast and accurate power combinations since, including Muhammad.

When it comes to opposition, I dont really care what the fighter(the opponent) achieved more so how good was he at the moment of the fight. Thats the only thing that matters, all these titles and title defences can be very deceiving about the real quality of the opponent. exactly, not to mention a small light heavy like conn was making a prime louis look like shit.......too bad he got too cocky...

I don't know the whole story, but word on the streets is that they did him durty with his finances. Joe Louis has to be the man. He was fighting during one of the most racist eras in American History. Why is it that America only has race issues? It can be argued, Jack Johnson may have fought in a more racist time in America...but racism sucks and Joe was still a colored person in a "White" dominated America. But it was said, after he beat Max, he was the one "Black" guy that was loved most by "White" people...even though he would still suffer from racist bastards and limitations put on him by society. Most of the World, if not all, still suffers from some form of racism so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Even during Joe's time, ever hear of Germany and the Nazis? That's just one example. Look towards Asia, Europe, and Africa for racism through history and even today to see if you are right. Maybe you will find you are right...or maybe you will find you were not. Remember, America {USA} in the coming days will have Obama as President. America is not perfect but as long as it tries to continue to improve, that's not a bad road to follow. One-step closer in the right direction...possibly. In addition, have you ever looked at many of the heroes for kids in America? I wish there were more "Stars" of other ethnic backgrounds represented. "We'll See"

The size difference between Joe Louis and Muhammad Ali is often overstated. Louis was 6'2, 200-208 lbs at his peak, Ali was 6'3 and weighed 200-210 at his peak. Ali however has the advantages in reach, footspeed and the ability to take a punch which might win the fight for him.

Louis was not slow of hand, his punches were short, crisp, fast and devastating. He doesn't have the combination or footspeed of Ali but he is certainly formidible enough. Ali is bigger but Louis is used to fighting bigger men (none match the greatness of Ali but you get my point) watch this video it explains alot

you cant look at it like that..cause like animals people evolve..gotta look at the eras they fought in boxing evolves not people....we as a species have not evolved for over 10000 years.

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat -Jack Sharkey -Primo Carnera -Max Baer -James Braddock -Jersey Joe Walcott -Billy Conn(lightheavyweight) and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today. Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon) Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close. You forgot Max Schmeling. That makes it seven champs, although a couple were shopworn by the time Louis fought them (most notably Sharkey). Farr, Lewis, Godoy, Nova, Pastor and others were all good contenders that Louis beat. Bivins is a hall of fame fighter although he was at the end of his career when Louis beat him as was Louis.

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat -Jack Sharkey -Primo Carnera -Max Baer -James Braddock -Jersey Joe Walcott -Billy Conn(lightheavyweight) and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today. Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon) Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close. Joe Louis is the flagpole against which all heavyweights will forever be measured.

It was a fairly weak and somewhat corrupt era (i.e. Carnera), there was a large gap between his skill level and that of his opponents. Great fighter, but I'd be hesitant to rate his resume too highly. His reign bridged the era from largely unskilled/outmoded forms of boxing to the great advances in technique of the 40s and 50s. Surely he was part of the impetus behind this evolution, at least offensively.

how the f*cking did Rahman become a lineal champ? More over, how did louis the lineal champ of his era, beat other lineal champs? Rahman beat Lewis, so he was a lineal champ for about 5 months before Lewis sent him to nap time. probebly one of the worst lineal champs ever. All the Lineal champs that Louis beat were considered the best in the world and were the lineal world champs before Louis became champ. other than Walcott, who became the lineal world champ a while after Louis beat him. I think Ali would have beaten Louis too, just because of the style. just too quick, and Louis's chin was not unstoppably good, he could be hurt, and I see Ali being able to pop him with right hands and shaking him. the thing with Louis was that he was an offensive monster. with his short, explosive punches I see him beating Foreman and Frazier...actually anyone that Ali beat. Louis had off nights, but in rematches he was seriously death. its drastic, the change of the fight in rematches. he would mutilate people. I dont know why, maybe he figured out their style, maybe he was unprepared the first time around, I dont know...but its a huge change.

forget the titles defences, Ive never put that much stock in title defences because they can be deceiving very often, especially nowadays. but look at this. he beat -Jack Sharkey -Primo Carnera -Max Baer -James Braddock -Jersey Joe Walcott -Billy Conn(lightheavyweight) and these are only the lineal champs he beat. and thats a huge number, especially considering Louis himself was the lineal heavyweight champ for almost 13 years straight. I mean, lets put it into perspective. look at our two best today. Vitali Klitschko-0 wins over lineal champs Wladimir Klitschko-1 win over a lineal champ(Hasbeen Rocked'mon) Louis is easily the number 2 or 1 heavyweight of all time, Jack Johnson doesnt come remotely close. Louis' record is a lot better than some claim. He gets derided for the "bum of the month" club, but is there a single heavyweight champ who hasn't topped up his record with a few stiffs? He also beat John Henry Lewis, reigning light-heavy champ and a very good fighter. Tommy Farr is another Louis opponent who I've been very impressed with. He dominated his division for nearly 15 years, knocking over every contender they could muster up, avenging any controversies with brutal KOs in rematches, and setting a title defences record which no one came close to breaking prior to the alphabet era. A truly remarkable fighter, and I agree with you, he's definitely a top 2 heavyweight.

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Okay, i get what your saying.. In that case he will go down as the greatest heavyweight... Jack Johnson is there simply mentioned because he was the 1st black heavyweight champion... lets be honest. In all fairness, Johnson fought most of the best colored fighters before becoming champ, as well as the best white fighters while he was champ. This doesn't excuse the fact he never gave a black man the same oppurtunity afforded him, but he was still great and a pioneer for his race.

Thats not how it works Larry, for smegs sake get with the programme. Lineal Champion: Guy who is considered by everyone to be the best at the weight. Not some douchebag who was having his ass handed to him and got in a lucky punch. No a Linear champ is a Champ who beat the champ... hence Rahmaan beat the 'Champ' in Lewis and was Lineal champ till Lewis ****ed him up in the rematch. Its like Rahmaan beat Lewis, Lewis beat Hollyfield, Hollyfield beat Tyson, Tyson beat Holmes and Holmes beat Ali... etc etc. The Lineal Championship traces back.

the did do joe dirty and that caused him to come out of retirement and lose..america is racist because its a melting pot.all other nations are mostly of the same raceBritain is just as cosmopolitan, I think London and New york are the two cities with the most different cultures living in it. and it can be just as racist imho. Sexism isn't nearly the problem over here as it is in the states though.

I always fought Ali would have beaten Louis... Louis was pretty slow when throwing shots, can you see Ali getting caught? Ali was way quicker than Louis. Louis was certainly not slow, but by no means comparable to Ali in the speed department. That said, fighters like Cooper and Frazier were not as fast as Louis and caught ali. Not saying he would definetly win, but he was better than either of those two and would be able to land also. Its a later version, but still great ali who lost to Norton. Louis was a much better fighter than Norton and would have a great chance to duplicate his success against even a younger5 version of Ali. JMO.

by ko lennox lewisThats not how it works Larry, for smegs sake get with the programme. Lineal Champion: Guy who is considered by everyone to be the best at the weight. Not some douchebag who was having his ass handed to him and got in a lucky punch.

I always fought Ali would have beaten Louis... Louis was pretty slow when throwing shots, can you see Ali getting caught? Ali was way quicker than Louis. Would have been a great fight prime vs prime Ali was unusally fast for a HW and when he was inhis prime hard to catch...joe Louis was great no debate about it but the time periods and fighting styles were totally different. Ali however did fight when there were 15 rounds and today's HW never even have to worry about going 15 rounds....LOL....Lefty

you cant look at it like that..cause like animals people evolve..gotta look at the eras they fought in Okay, i get what your saying.. In that case he will go down as the greatest heavyweight... Jack Johnson is there simply mentioned because he was the 1st black heavyweight champion... lets be honest.