Has Joe's reputation got worse or better since the Jones fight ?

MUCH better, Joe embarrassed a legend.

It's not even relevant if you happened to give Roy a chance against Joe. The rumormill and hope factor may win some hearts but it don't mean shit to what you witness on fight night, and what we all saw was a dead man in the ring who removed all doubt that he was shot to us in denial. He still has some power, but almost nothing else. Even Jones' handspeed has significantly diminished. The exclamation point was put on the fight for me when Jones throws one of his snappy shots at Joe and he avoids it with his agility and smiles back at grandpa Jones as if to say "too slow old man". Roy even spends a good portion of the fight just trying to get in position to land a big punch, but is too slow to do it and concedes that he can't catch Cal in his corner late in the fight. Hopkins is even faster than him now, and does everything better at 43. How's that? Superman Roy is older than the old man. This is only possible if you've aged in dog years. How could that have happened? It's not just Roy's confidence that's gone Thunder. http://www.compuboxonline.com/notes/jones_notes.shtml Moving up in weight did slow Jones down no doubt though his power punching accuracy stayed strong considering the competition. However, we see a much more alarming drop in his punching output after suffering a flash knockout against the very good and big Tarver. Hmmmm, why does he look so reluctant against Johnson a few months later and against Tarver in their rubber match? Could his confidence have took a huge blow after his first loss in such shocking fashion? Nah, he just aged a decade after the first Tarver fight because of the weight he lost after the Ruiz match or reasons unexplained...eh. Don't kid yourself, Calzaghe's speed had alot to do with Jones looking so slow. Watch these videos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5yR5lwL_y0 Hopkins/Pavlik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6MHoYQyakU Jones/Trinidad. Seriously, you think Hopkins is faster right now? Hopkins is simply a much, much, smarter more complete fighter, but he isn't even faster than Roy now. To be blunt get the F**K out of here with a bullshit comment like that.

I don't see how Calzaghe's reputation could have gotten worse, seeing as how every serious boxing fan already knew how pathetically awful he is. lol, yes, indeed.

I don't see how Calzaghe's reputation could have gotten worse, seeing as how every serious boxing fan already knew how pathetically awful he is.

It's not even relevant if you happened to give Roy a chance against Joe. The rumormill and hope factor may win some hearts but it don't mean shit to what you witness on fight night, and what we all saw was a dead man in the ring who removed all doubt that he was shot to us in denial. He still has some power, but almost nothing else. Even Jones' handspeed has significantly diminished. The exclamation point was put on the fight for me when Jones throws one of his snappy shots at Joe and he avoids it with his agility and smiles back at grandpa Jones as if to say "too slow old man". Roy even spends a good portion of the fight just trying to get in position to land a big punch, but is too slow to do it and concedes that he can't catch Cal in his corner late in the fight. Hopkins is even faster than him now, and does everything better at 43. How's that? Superman Roy is older than the old man. This is only possible if you've aged in dog years. How could that have happened? It's not just Roy's confidence that's gone Thunder.

I thought Joe would get knocked down (because of his bad habit of running into right hands early on), get back up and beat down Roy who has no legs, diminished stamina and reflexes for the rest of the fight. I'm a big Glen Johnson fan but whatever Johnson could do, Calzaghe can surely do as well (except for finishing Roy I guess). Jones had not proven anything to me by beating an overweight Trinidad, Hanshaw who was handled easily by Dirrell and Prince Badi Ajamu. Actually, I was having fun with Calzaghe's reputation around these parts as a harmless slapper after the Hopkins fight. My prediction on Calzaghe/Jones from way back. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=178317&page=3 "It would be foolish to completely count out Roy Jones but you'd have to be a bigger fool to actually favor him against Calzaghe at this point. Jones won't pull a Bika or Hopkins, he'll try to fight it out and eat lots of shots as a result. I don't think Jones will get knocked out though, maybe a late stoppage at the most. At any rate, Calzaghe by UD. http://youtube.com/watch?v=ms2Zo86NDaY Jones last fight against a pressure fighter with a pulse." Of course Calzaghe was a favorite but lets not pretend Roy was universally given no chance to even make a fight of it . People in this thread are making the fight out to be a bigger farce than Berbick/Ali which is just extreme, it isn't even Ali/Holmes. Still, I do give Joe credit for this win while Jones shouldn't get a free pass for losing. Him and Calzaghe are from the same class/generation of fighters; one just took better care of himself and stayed hungry. Jones dwindling motivation and increasing lack of confidence after the Johnson knockout has been a bigger factor in his decline than weight jumping or other health reasons. There's a reason Tarver did better in the rematches rather than immediately after Jones dropped back down in weight.

This is actually a pretty fair take on the fight looking back. Calzaghe was expected to win but there were certainly doubts from more than just hardcore Roy fanboys. I don't think anybody can say they saw this coming from the Slapper: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07bU9ksgE7d6Y/610x.jpg I thought Joe would get knocked down (because of his bad habit of running into right hands early on), get back up and beat down Roy who has no legs, diminished stamina and reflexes for the rest of the fight. I'm a big Glen Johnson fan but whatever Johnson could do, Calzaghe can surely do as well (except for finishing Roy I guess). Jones had not proven anything to me by beating an overweight Trinidad, Hanshaw who was handled easily by Dirrell and Prince Badi Ajamu.

people exaggerate the beating joe gave to jones. it wasn't bad at all. a bad beating is hopkins did to pavlik or pac did to de la hoya, where tons of clean punches landed. to me joe outworked roy with his ****ing slaps which look amateurish. truth is alot of those slaps landed on roy jones forearms. not once was jones ever hurt. i think one round where joe did beat roy up kinda was 7...thats where he cut jones. but aside from that...not that bad of a beating at all. in fact, i gave jones 3 rounds. i think joe, wiggled his ****ing ass more than he landed big clean punches. It's funny how everytime Joe tried dancing to Hopkins, he got a right hand straight to the head. http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/natas206/hopcalz6.gif But you can't forget this... http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c217/natas206/hopcalz-1.gif

believe it or not in america..only hardcore fans know who joe is..and most probally dont think very highly of him anyway.. Belive it or not only boxing fans in the uk know who Roy jones is, joe public certainly dont. To say only hardcore boxing fans know who Joe calzaghe is in the states has to be drivel, if not the casual fight fans are hardly fight fans.

Exactly, Did Larry Holmes do it against Ali, did Rocky Marciano do it against Joe Louis? No they showed class and respect for an aged great. Especially one who is pissing of blood! Joe is a dick! He just looks LAME and AWKWARD when he does his showboating, it dont suit em at all! Id like to put that prick in the ring with My 10 and a half stone BullMastiff Tito!!! lol he kinda does. maybe because his style resembles carlos maussas.

I believe it got worse, you pretty much nailed it on the head. Also I think the showboating didn't do him any favors, either. people exaggerate the beating joe gave to jones. it wasn't bad at all. a bad beating is hopkins did to pavlik or pac did to de la hoya, where tons of clean punches landed. to me joe outworked roy with his ****ing slaps which look amateurish. truth is alot of those slaps landed on roy jones forearms. not once was jones ever hurt. i think one round where joe did beat roy up kinda was 7...thats where he cut jones. but aside from that...not that bad of a beating at all. in fact, i gave jones 3 rounds. i think joe, wiggled his ****ing ass more than he landed big clean punches.

Not to mention the absolutely dejected expression on Joe's face before the decision was announced and Enzo's belief Joe needed a rally to win near the end. Yup, no way Hopkins can win.... I'm not too sure about that. In fact, you might be blowing things up slightly out of proportion. Reason why I say this is because I think Joe was told the outcome of the fight before it was officially announced. Keep an eye on Frank Warren after the fight. He's walking around in the ring and he walked up to Calzaghe and says something that sounds like "they're gonna give you the decision" or something like that. Calzaghe asks him to repeat what he said, and Warren does. Hey, I could be completely wrong, but it looks like that's what was said. I'll happily be corrected on this, though! On the other hand, I have various theories. LOL. Like the Jones knockdown? Something seems wrong with it. I think it could have been faked. I have various reasons to be suspicious. If I'm right, and there's no way to find out, then it was a smart move by Calzaghe. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

I call bullshit........... Nope, That man speaks the truth.

http://www.betonline.com/betting-edge/jones-jr.-calzaghe-odds-557.aspx "Boxing odds may not agree, but the elder fighter is the smart Jones Jr. vs Calzaghe pick. If last week’s Pavlik-Hopkins bout was any indication, aggressive fighters moving up a weight class are very susceptible to more powerful counter-punchers. Despite their age, Roy Jones Jr. and his generation of boxers that dominated the 1990s are by-and-large, superior to the current crop of contenders. Calzaghe has fought one noteworthy fighter in compiling his flawless record—Hopkins—but Jones Jr. won’t make it quite as easy on him this time. Bet on Roy Jones Jr." This is actually a pretty fair take on the fight looking back. Calzaghe was expected to win but there were certainly doubts from more than just hardcore Roy fanboys. I don't think anybody can say they saw this coming from the Slapper: http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/07bU9ksgE7d6Y/610x.jpg :haha:

jones and calzaghe were both shot so it was a fair fight. right krissilver?

LOL at Roy only being 3 years older than Joe. Jones has aged in boxing in DOG YEARS for screwing with his weight '03. Not to mention the mileage on his body from moving up in weight throughout his career. The toll on his body from losing muscle was so much so Jr. admitted that it would've been wise to take 2-3 years off to adjust to coming back down from HW to LHW. What's Joe got? He's been relaxed at home fighting in his backyard. He hasn't put his body through the wringer like that. LOL at the Cal lovers on the board swearing up and down that Hopkins beating Joe is only plausible because haters deem it so when you have news orgs like ESPN the AP and 1 of 3 judges giving him the fight as well... but I know, it's all in our minds! Not to mention the absolutely dejected expression on Joe's face before the decision was announced and Enzo's belief Joe needed a rally to win near the end. Yup, no way Hopkins can win... Let's start looking at things objectively and not being biased you know whats. It's been made clear we have two schools of thought when looking at the outcome of a close fight in boxing. You have those who will give it to the aggressive, high output fighter, and those who will give it to the accurate, but low output fighter. It's the same reason you had people at the arena for the Winky/Sam Soliman fight claiming robbery at the end! lol It's not unfathomable to see the guy who didn't punch a lot get the nod, when he lands the punches worth a damn despite seeing action at a rate of 3:1 against him. Let's stop pretending these things don't happen in boxing.

Joe made a rod for his own back by sticking around with Frank Warren for so long. I've been playing that tune for a long time now every time someone questions Calzaghe's legacy, but it's so true. He was Frank Warren's lapdog and he simply didn't have the bollocks to tell him were to go. There's loyalty, but then there's being mugged off! Joe was being mugged off by Frank Warren for years. The Truth Nice one Chunk:boxing:

Nah, Kris. Spin aside, Roy is way farther gone than Hop, being that Hop isn't actually gone...as in, he can be a competetive threat on that level. Roy is gone...as in, never a threat to Joe in his '08 state (forearm in the face KD notwithstanding). I agree, never said otherwise. I merely said, Jones is not as past it as is made out with him. The same was true of Hopkins, but yes I accept it he wasn't written off as badly and is much less past prime. But both had past prime, exaggerated by a lot of people. Hopkins proved it even though he already had several times recently before Calzaghe, how can that be answered? Jones got some ok wins, and even now on the forums is being pitched as competitive against someone like Taylor. Now that doesn't sit with the "way way past prime and shot" as was mostly said of him the past year.

Most people are answering subjectively, based on what they personally think, no their take on the majority of people. I think it slightly improved as he looked a lot better at the weight, like the genuine LHW #1, was able to really show some skills with a guy wanting to fight, his speed, combinations and actually occasional goodish power. Also it was a win against a big name whom though past it, is not as past it as if often made out just as was the case with Hopkins. Somewhat understandably however a lot do think it suffered, because mostly imo Jones is an endeared legend whom Calzaghe beat, and show boated against. That's understandable to an extent but I do think it goes to far. In reality fights with past prime fighters happen all the time, and so does show boating. So I think there's a lot of double standards on this, especially when you consider Jones hardly fought stellar competition all the time and often show boated himself for one.

Joe made a rod for his own back by sticking around with Frank Warren for so long. I've been playing that tune for a long time now every time someone questions Calzaghe's legacy, but it's so true. He was Frank Warren's lapdog and he simply didn't have the bollocks to tell him were to go. There's loyalty, but then there's being mugged off! Joe was being mugged off by Frank Warren for years.