What exactly is a fighters natural weight class?

Good post but my only question is why does margarito have to test himself against bigger weight classes when he is already fighting fighters his size. In fact I really think that becasue of better nutrition in a normal humans diet in this day and age that guys like Margarito have evolved into a natural welterweights while guys like Cotto, Judah and Mosely were never Welters to begin with. It's kind like why in the 70's you never saw 300 pound lineman in football and nowadays evey single lineman in football is 300 pounds plus. good post as well. I have a lot of respect for Margarito. The man has only lost twice since his teenage years and with the Williams loss, it was mainly his own doing and lack of workrate the first 4 rounds. And the Santos fight was razor thin. At Welter he's nearly unbeatable and i think he has the skill, stamina and chin to do well at the higher weights. I dont know, he gets a lot of crap staying at welter, i would like him to shutup a lot of ppl and show that he can do it at higher weights.

I see this said a lot on these boxing forums as of late and what I would like to know is what is the actual science behind determining what a boxers natural weight class is? You can't go by what the scales on fight night show simply because they are all unofficial scales and who knows when and at what time the boxers are getting weighed at. Some fighters are naturally taller but at the same time they are very thin so are we also taking height and reach advantages into consideration. Good post but my only question is why does margarito have to test himself against bigger weight classes when he is already fighting fighters his size. In fact I really think that becasue of better nutrition in a normal humans diet in this day and age that guys like Margarito have evolved into a natural welterweights while guys like Cotto, Judah and Mosely were never Welters to begin with. It's kind like why in the 70's you never saw 300 pound lineman in football and nowadays evey single lineman in football is 300 pounds plus.

I see this said a lot on these boxing forums as of late and what I would like to know is what is the actual science behind determining what a boxers natural weight class is? You can't go by what the scales on fight night show simply because they are all unofficial scales and who knows when and at what time the boxers are getting weighed at. Some fighters are naturally taller but at the same time they are very thin so are we also taking height and reach advantages into consideration.[/QUOTE Its a good question with a lot of opinions. Natural weight is really a vague term in the boxing community. I like to call it Natural fight weight. And to me thats the weight you are without doing unhealthy things to you're body, such as dehydrating yourself, running in sweatsuits and things of that nature. It amazes me how guys like Paul williams and Margarito can get down to 147. But the crazier thing is i've never heard of them killing themselves to make the weight. At the end of the day the dehydrating thing is going to always be there and the rules are what they are. I have no problem with Williams, because he moves up and down in weight all the time, which i hope wont affect him long term. Margarito i'm also fine with, i'd just like to see him test himself sometime soon at a higher weight.

Well since the only thing you seemed to notice was('Williams was too big") and only commented on that ...exclude that statement. Ok I get you and that actually a valid point.

Lol...I think you need to read my response again...I dont think you get it. I also base me opinion on what I read in here. Relax and read slower...Weight was the issue. I'm still not following you. Could you explain it to me without the sarcasam?

A boxers natural fighting weight is the weight he feels comfortable at and is able to compete his best at.A tipical in shape person probably cant fight for 12 rounds!!

I agree with that...If some say its "their weight just a little manipulated" then you should have no problem fighting in that weight against somebody else that exact weight on fight night. Some people say Margarito is what he is because he can make the weight......but at the same time jump to another thread and say Oscar De La Hoya was weight drained..."but again he made the weight"...just because you make the weight doesnt mean you belong there. I mean just a thought my nephew is 15 and weighs 140, he is 6'0 and he is lean. It doesnt seem right that someone in there thirties is 147....but I guess it can be ok, Just like Hoya ....Sarcasm ----->But I guess it depends on what nationality the fighter is and if he wins Margarito vs Cotto, then its ok. If he loses Margarito vs. Williams then its not ok(Williams too big) Or Oscar De La Hoe loses to Pacquiao then Oscar is out of his weight..lol:thumbsdow And what fuking retards are saying Williams only beat Margarito because he was bigger? In fact I see more Margarito haters saying "thats what Tony gets for picking on smaller fighters". So if they are using that williams fight to discredit Margarito how can you insinuate that Margarito fans are using williams size as an excuse?

And of course all of this complicated by the fact that humans naturally continue to gain muscle mass and bone mineral density into their late twenties (and then sustain this through their thirties). Hence, most fighters move up weight classes as their career goes on and heavyweights tend to get better with age.

yeah but the training is relatively the same whereas diet and dehydration is the biggest factor for a fighter making weight. I think the fight night weight(+3 or 4 pounds) is when a fighter is closest to his natural weight. The thing is none of these so called bigger fighters are actually having trouble making the 147 to begin with and just by keeping their diets in check they can still come in only 3-4 pounds over the limit so we still have fighters with size advantages no matter what. how about we argue the point that maybe the smaller fighters should stick to their own natural weight classes rather than bulking up to make it into hgiher weightclasses. Shouldn't the smaller fighters shoulder some of the blame here too?

a fighters natural weight is a fighter in fighting shape without having to dry out (dehydrate) simply. a fighter weighs in on fri and the same weight on sat means that is his natural fighting weight Again that can all be manipulated by training and Diet(without having to dry themselves out).

Yeah, if that is what they walk around at in real life thats good enough. A lot of Heavy weights do not even walk around at what they fight at..because they arent in 'fight shape'.. so what a fighters weighs, when not in shape for a fight should be his natural fight weight? um, no.. thanks.

That can still be manipulated by diet and training so we still end up right where we started. yeah but the training is relatively the same whereas diet and dehydration is the biggest factor for a fighter making weight. I think the fight night weight(+3 or 4 pounds) is when a fighter is closest to his natural weight.

a fighters natural weight is a fighter in fighting shape without having to dry out (dehydrate) simply. a fighter weighs in on fri and the same weight on sat means that is his natural fighting weight

So thats what I am talking about, walking weight for a fighter is the best weight that he can be healthy and effective at. Thats about it, and I dont understand whats your issue with it. So if 147 is a comfortable weight for say fighters like Margarito or williams then you are cool with that?

Whatever weight a boxer is in top shape at without killing himself to make. It is a pretty vague term though.

Its the closest weight to fighter's walking weight, if the fighter is in shape at a walking weight. Again that weight can be manipulated if they are exercising and eating a certin way so once again we are still at the same place we started.

basically if the person wasn't in shape and didn't work out and was fat and wasn't into boxing and laid on the couch all day long watching price is right while eating Funyuns. Whatever that weight is, is their natural weight class. Poor Diet and zero exercise would just make everyone a heavyweight so that still does nothing to determine what their natural weight class is. In other words if you are a boxer the bottom line is it is impossiable to determine what your natural weight is considering that everyone in boxing is an athlete and if you are at your natural weight then you probobly are not exercising or eating right so whats the point of even getting in a boxing ring.

whatever weight a fighter is on fight night. that's my way of looking at it but everyone has their own theory. That can still be manipulated by diet and training so we still end up right where we started.

I see this said a lot on these boxing forums as of late and what I would like to know is what is the actual science behind determining what a boxers natural weight class is? You can't go by what the scales on fight night show simply because they are all unofficial scales and who knows when and at what time the boxers are getting weighed at. Some fighters are naturally taller but at the same time they are very thin so are we also taking height and reach advantages into consideration. whatever weight a fighter is on fight night. that's my way of looking at it but everyone has their own theory.

basically if the person wasn't in shape and didn't work out and was fat and wasn't into boxing and laid on the couch all day long watching price is right while eating Funyuns. Whatever that weight is, is their natural weight class. i <3 funions