Why do you boxing elitists feel your sport is being threatened by the rise of MMA ?

MMA is very much like backyard wrestling (without all the chairs and psychopaths). Again, its nothing like backyard wrestling, so I won't even argue this ignorant point your trying to make here. I wouldnt want to shell out big money for a PPV fight (or waste an hour of my life even on a free broadcast) where two men start off on their feet "punching" (if you want to call it that...95% of all UFC/MMA fighters have HORRIBLE boxing/punching technique) and end up on the floor with one guy's nutsack in the face of the other while he twists his arm or leg for 10 minutes. You wouldn't want to shell out big money for it, but over 5,000,000 paying customers gladly did, almost double the amount of people who 'shelled out big money' for boxing events. Again, comparing an MMA fighter's punching technique to a boxer's in a boxing fight is a dumb and useless comparison. Compare the gloves. Boxing for an MMA fight is closer to bare knuckle boxing, than today's boxing. Of course these guys aren't going to utilize the exact technique that boxers would use with huge gloves on, in an MMA fight. Call me crazy but thats not very exciting and from watching many of these cards on tv (with friends who are UFC fanatics) i kept thinking to myself, "how is this exciting...they been deadlocked on the ground for 5 minutes and nothing has changed and these guys are pumped up like someone just one the superbowl"??? This is your opinion on an MMA fight, you're entitled to it. Watching some of the cards was enough to give me a clear opinion of the sport and it also tells me what the sport is about...its kind of like WWE but without all the theatrics. pretty much. Again your ignorance shines through ! MMA is nothing like the WWE, anyone can see that. I won't even dignify that with a response. major networks have invested millions of dollars into much worse...they invested millions of dollars into WWF and WCW and all those wrestling tv shows that were very popular in the 70's-90's and now they are pretty much a flop compared to what they use to be. they invested the money to get a big payout at that time but now they have pulled back a bit. networks chase the big cash crops in entertainment and sports. for the same reason i said above...its making money RIGHT NOW...but soon as it begins to flop golden boy promotions will drop them aswell. Goldenboy chases the big money...just look at some of the boxers under contract with them...90% of the vets bring in the big money. i didnt say they wouldnt make ANY money...but they wont make AS MUCH. and if they do it wont last. plain and simple. Won't make as much ? Did you not read the part about the UFC outselling boxing in PPV events almost 2-1 this year ? How about the part about the UFC breaking the all time record for PPV revenue in a year, in any sport ? MMA IS hype...they dont have hype thats what they are. You can tell from the moment you turn on the broadcast...you got two commentators in their late 30's/early 40's with a hard on talking about how each fight on the card is "such a groundbreaking great fight". you have a ring walk and ring annoucner that is cheezy. and a fight that pretty much looks like what you'd see between two adolestant brothers fighting over a cookie...except they arent roided out. I actually think the broadcast quality is excellent. Did you happen to see the PPV broadcast for the Oscar-Pacquiao fight ? Where HBO was scrambing to find a way to kill time because none of their undercard fights lasted longer than a few minutes. Then you have to listen to Jim Lampley and crew bullshit for 45 minutes until the main event. Yes, that was a stellar broadcast. HBO for some odd reason, chooses not to air the undercard fights before the PPV fights..but instead opts to leave it up to their commentators to babble for almost an hour. (The UFC does this in the event that they need to fill some time in before a fight, gives the PPV buyer more fights for their money) a person with 4 MMA fights under his belt should be on PPV... He was on PPV, and I'm assuming you meant to say 'shouldn't' be on PPV, as opposed to what you typed. and really it sold over 2 million ppv's??? like de la hoya v. floyd mayweather jr did? It sold over a million PPV's, in the same economic situation that the Dream Match did. MMA isnt threatening "my sport" (you say it like ur not a fan...if you arent then why are you here???) Find a quote in this entire thread where I have ever stated this. And again, this shows how dumb you really are, because the point I've been trying to make this entire time is that the rise of MMA is ultimately a good thing for boxing ! Some of you knuckleheads are so quick to defend boxing, that you fail to see this. Boxing doesn't need your protection. MMA couldnt threaten boxing even if they fought with real swords and fireworks shot out of the ring annoucners ass and the commentators jerked each other off. Read the above post. Both sports can and will coexist. why? so i can go to your gym and then what? end up on the ground while you get on top and try to rub your sweaty balls all over me confusing me into thinking im having someone attempt to rape me in a cell block??? no thanks. I wasn't being serious. I know for a fact you would never show up. This is the internet, I don't take it that seriously.

It was canceled for two years. I still don't see how this changes the comparison. I was comparing the slam dunk contest and an actual game, and its likeness to boxing and MMA, respectively. You're actually explaining part of why I made the comparison. A slam dunk is one kind of way to score in a game. It is one dimension of sport. The same way boxing is one dimension of fighting. And yes, in an actual game, you have multiple ways of scoring, which is why I likened it to MMA, where you have a multitude of different avenues in which take to finish a fight. Thanks. My analogy was more suitable than your lame concoction. Boxing would be the NBA while MMA is the NFL. You score one way in the NBA, by putting the ball in the hoop by using various forms of shooting which is akin to scoring in boxing, by only using your arms to throw punches. In the NFL, you can pass, run or kick the ball in for points, same as MMA fights ending in submission by arm, leg or neck, or just a straight out KO. Don't you have a dad to teach you this schit?

MMA is nothing like backyard wrestling, and even making a foolish comparison like that shows your ignorance on the sport. MMA is very much like backyard wrestling (without all the chairs and psychopaths). I wouldnt want to shell out big money for a PPV fight (or waste an hour of my life even on a free broadcast) where two men start off on their feet "punching" (if you want to call it that...95% of all UFC/MMA fighters have HORRIBLE boxing/punching technique) and end up on the floor with one guy's nutsack in the face of the other while he twists his arm or leg for 10 minutes. Call me crazy but thats not very exciting and from watching many of these cards on tv (with friends who are UFC fanatics) i kept thinking to myself, "how is this exciting...they been deadlocked on the ground for 5 minutes and nothing has changed and these guys are pumped up like someone just one the superbowl"??? Do you think 'watching some cards' validates your moronic opinion on MMA ? Your idea of what MMA is isn't even remotely close to the truth. Watching some of the cards was enough to give me a clear opinion of the sport and it also tells me what the sport is about...its kind of like WWE but without all the theatrics. pretty much. If it was such a 'niche sport' as you put it, why are these major networks investing millions of dollars into it ? major networks have invested millions of dollars into much worse...they invested millions of dollars into WWF and WCW and all those wrestling tv shows that were very popular in the 70's-90's and now they are pretty much a flop compared to what they use to be. they invested the money to get a big payout at that time but now they have pulled back a bit. networks chase the big cash crops in entertainment and sports. Why is Golden Boy Promotions, arguably the biggest promotional company in boxing, getting involved in a niche sport ? for the same reason i said above...its making money RIGHT NOW...but soon as it begins to flop golden boy promotions will drop them aswell. Goldenboy chases the big money...just look at some of the boxers under contract with them...90% of the vets bring in the big money. So there goes your moronic assumption that MMA 'doesn't have nearly as many PPV's' as well as your dumb ass statement that they wouldn't make any money. i didnt say they wouldnt make ANY money...but they wont make AS MUCH. and if they do it wont last. plain and simple. MMA doesn't have hype ? MMA IS hype...they dont have hype thats what they are. You can tell from the moment you turn on the broadcast...you got two commentators in their late 30's/early 40's with a hard on talking about how each fight on the card is "such a groundbreaking great fight". you have a ring walk and ring annoucner that is cheezy. and a fight that pretty much looks like what you'd see between two adolestant brothers fighting over a cookie...except they arent roided out. Why did Brock Lesnar, a man with 4 MMA fights under his belt, sell a PPV event that almost equaled that of the biggest draw in boxing for the past 10 years ? a person with 4 MMA fights under his belt should be on PPV... and really it sold over 2 million ppv's??? like de la hoya v. floyd mayweather jr did? You seem to feel like MMA is threatening your sport. This is not the case, so no need for your comments of boxing's superiority over MMA, the two can and will coexist. In the end, fight fans, like myself, win. MMA isnt threatening "my sport" (you say it like ur not a fan...if you arent then why are you here???) MMA couldnt threaten boxing even if they fought with real swords and fireworks shot out of the ring annoucners ass and the commentators jerked each other off. Yo, I see your from The Bay...if you're ever in San Francisco and would like to see the difference between MMA and 'backyard wrestling' as you put it... Feel free to drop by my gym anytime, and I'll show you the difference personally. why? so i can go to your gym and then what? end up on the ground while you get on top and try to rub your sweaty balls all over me confusing me into thinking im having someone attempt to rape me in a cell block??? no thanks.

It was canceled for two years. I still don't see how this changes the comparison. I was comparing the slam dunk contest and an actual game, and its likeness to boxing and MMA, respectively. You're actually explaining part of why I made the comparison. A slam dunk is one kind of way to score in a game. It is one dimension of sport. The same way boxing is one dimension of fighting. And yes, in an actual game, you have multiple ways of scoring, which is why I likened it to MMA, where you have a multitude of different avenues in which take to finish a fight. Thanks. So does that mean that soccer is the slam dunk contest and american football is the real game. Because in football kicking is just one aspect of the game. Or NASCAR is the dunk contest and robbing banks is the real game. Because in robbing banks, the driving is just one aspect. You can't compare the two by taking the common aspect (punching) and minimizing it's meaning by using a crappy analogy. Thanks

Are you going to try and tell me the dunk contest was never canceled? It has everything to do with it. Boxing as a sport has never been canceled, the dunk contest has. 2 ball anyone? It was canceled for two years. I still don't see how this changes the comparison. I was comparing the slam dunk contest and an actual game, and its likeness to boxing and MMA, respectively. Its actually a horrible analogy. A slam dunk is one kind of way to make points in a basketball game. You can shoot free throws, (jab), hit a jump shot (lead), drive for a layup (hook), slam dunk (uppercut). You're actually explaining part of why I made the comparison. A slam dunk is one kind of way to score in a game. It is one dimension of sport. The same way boxing is one dimension of fighting. And yes, in an actual game, you have multiple ways of scoring, which is why I likened it to MMA, where you have a multitude of different avenues in which take to finish a fight. Thanks.

Do you know what an analogy is ? I'm not pointing out the similarities between boxing and basketball. I'm saying that the relationship between boxing and MMA is very similar to the relationship between the slam dunk contest, which is one element of a bigger sport, and the actual game. Its actually a horrible analogy. A slam dunk is one kind of way to make points in a basketball game. You can shoot free throws, (jab), hit a jump shot (lead), drive for a layup (hook), slam dunk (uppercut).

http://www.nba.com/allstar2008/slam_dunk/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slam_Dunk_Contest Even though your dumb ass statement about the Slam Dunk Contest being 'canceled for a few years' has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. Are you going to try and tell me the dunk contest was never canceled? It has everything to do with it. Boxing as a sport has never been canceled, the dunk contest has. 2 ball anyone?

It's more like football vs Rugby, with MMA being the more raw and violent (yet still highly, highly skilled) counterpart. QUOTE] I like that.

What the ?! LMAO. I train in the gym. Not on an internet forum. shut the **** up domain. dude how many alts do you have

Yes I know what an analogy is, enough to know a bad one when I see one. I'll ask everyone and see what they think. It is a bad anology. It would work if the NBA consisted of 82 slam dunk contests a year and some other league was starting up playing the actual game. And even then, if you think that MMA takes so much more skill than boxing, then you're probably mistaken. I agree it takes a knowledge of a broader range of skills, but not to that extent of slam dunk contest compared to a basketball game. It's more like football vs Rugby, with MMA being the more raw and violent (yet still highly, highly skilled) counterpart. ps. I really enjoyed the card this weekend, hell of a card. But when it comes down to it no MMA fight brings out the kind of emotion and excitement I get when I'm watching a big boxing event.

Do you know what an analogy is ? I'm not pointing out the similarities between boxing and basketball. I'm saying that the relationship between boxing and MMA is very similar to the relationship between the slam dunk contest, which is one element of a bigger sport, and the actual game. Yes I know what an analogy is, enough to know a bad one when I see one. I'll ask everyone and see what they think.

ok so if you train, then why dont you ever post in the training and nutrition section? What the ?! LMAO. I train in the gym. Not on an internet forum.

I don't even know who the hell you're talking about, you loser. Yes, I train muay thai, BJJ, and boxing. But what the hell does that have to do with anything ? ok so if you train, then why dont you ever post in the training and nutrition section?

The fact that I would never compare it to a All-Star weekend activity that involves only athletic ability and no skill. I wouldn't call MMA that either just to let you know. Do you know what an analogy is ? I'm not pointing out the similarities between boxing and basketball. I'm saying that the relationship between boxing and MMA is very similar to the relationship between the slam dunk contest, which is one element of a bigger sport, and the actual game.

yeah royce was kicking a**. now i somehow lost the interest in mma. its kinda like patterned its rules to boxing with the weight class, 10 point system, and they added these f*ckin rules. why can't you knee a downed opponent? is that the whole point of mma? When Hazzard was creating the Unified Rules off the Mohawk Nation Rules, the Mohawks banned knees on the the ground because a lot of the bums fighting at that time were finding ways of using the cage as a weapon against martial artists. Mostly pinning them up against the fence and ramming the knees into the head and body of a downed opponent. The Mohawks saw that kinda like beating up a boxer tied up in the ropes and so they banned it. Hazzard followed suit. Now, because it's not like the old days anymore, people are trying to repeal the rule. It's give guys with natural shooting ability cart blanche in unchecked takedowns. Royce was awesome...till he got beat by a real pro wrestler.

Its an analogy. Not meant to belittle the sport in any way shape or form. Besides...what makes you any more of a real boxing fan than anyone else ? The fact that I would never compare it to a All-Star weekend activity that involves only athletic ability and no skill. I wouldn't call MMA that either just to let you know.

I know one thing for sure, that no real boxing fan would call it the slam dunk contest. Its an analogy. Not meant to belittle the sport in any way shape or form. Besides...what makes you any more of a real boxing fan than anyone else ?

I know one thing for sure, that no real boxing fan would call it the slam dunk contest.

Ok first of all. I was a state golden glove boxing champ. i have been in numerous one on one street fights and have seen other really good boxers in street fights. The boxer is the ultimate street fighter he will beat up any ufc guy in a bar fight no doubt. i have foughtin grapplers( aka put from the rough guys grabbing other guys ass as fighting is not fighting, having a guys in missionary sex position) Boxers are devasting street fighters. I have beaten up marital arts guys and all that brazilian crap. I have seen other boxers do the same time and time again check out http://www.allstarsportspicks.com he is really good Way to toot your own horn. LOL @ your assumption that the boxer will beat up any ufc guy in a bar fight. Its obvious you know nothing about MMA. This is a bit off the topic of the thread but, your boxing is useless when you are on your back. The first thing any smart MMA fighter, or even BJJ fighter, or wrestler would do is to shoot in, and take you down. While on your back, your punching power is null & void, and so is any other boxing technique you could possibly use. This is the internet, though, so really your claims of 'beaten up marital arts guys and all that brazilian crap' are worthless. First off the analogy is horrible. Boxing can be tactical or like a street fight with many elements and factors involved. MMA is typically just a crap shoot. Whoever lands a big punch first or gets the right hold first wins. Okay, regardless of these many elements in boxing you speak of...the premise stays the same, and so do the rules. Using your hands only, strike your opponent, from the waist up. And what hte hell are you talking about 'whoever lands a big punch first or gets the right hold first wins ' ? Do you even follow MMA ? Watch an Antonio Noguiera fight and see if your claim of whoever strikes first is true. Watch the Frank Mir, Brock Lesnar fight and see if this is true. The thing that bothers me is that boxing is losing the younger generation to MMA. I always hear my friends saying "I'm going to watch the UFC fights tonight" meanwhile there's a great fight on HBO that night. Part of it is that boxing has priced it self out. It's becoming too exclusive and too expensive to follow. Exhibit A: JMM and Casamayor on PPV. I bet you maybe one or two of my friends could tell you who those guys are, yet they charge $55 bucks to watch, what a joke. Boxing needs to lose all those things that make it complicated and exclusive and the fans will watch again. It would also help to have a heavyweight champion that doesn't put us all to sleep like all the russians do. Losing the younger generation ? I would argue that boxing didn't have this demographic to begin with. The #1demographic for boxing, believe it or not, is 50+ year old males. (Google it if you want) Now, I don't for a second think MMA is a threat to boxing's primary demographic, but what I do think boxing promoters are starting to realize is that they might just be able to gain some younger fans, with the same technique used to make MMA so popular: Network television.

That's a good way of putting it. I'd think it's the other way around...the Slum dunk contest vs. the actual game. I'd say that boxing is the actual game. IMO, i'm not really into the whole MMA thing. Never was. But as a martial artist there's no way of escaping it. Somehow, i end up getting dragged into it. Now, i'm what you call a quiet observer. I'm so done talking about MMA vs. Boxing and all that jazz. I simply refuse to dialec with the MMA ignorant meatheads. But i'll converse intellectually with those who can actually differentiate between the two. Dude, boxing is going nowhere. MMA is not "threatening" boxing. They're totally two different types of publicity packages. I finally accepted boxing and MMA co-existing ^ Why would you say boxing is the actual game though ? Wouldn't you say there are more elements involved in MMA, as far as kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, submissions,..etc... In boxing, as complex as it can get, stretegy wise...its really quite a simple and limited sport. Strike your opponent, using only your hands. Again, I am not trying to pit boxing vs MMA. They are two different sports, and like I've said numerous times in this thread, they can and will coexist. The gist of this thread was just to state the fact that boxing ultimately is going to win, with the rise of MMA. Too many knuckleheads come in here thinking I'm bashing boxing, which makes no sense. Boxing is my favorite sport, easily...but I love all fights.