yet another scenario where Floyd haters make me laugh

ok good stuff.. i think marquez won both fights but i can see how the judges gave pac the victories.. some thought floyd lost against castillo.. I think pac's best win was against barerra the 1st time in 03.. but i thought he faced morales when he was past his prime.. its not pac's fault or anything but it is what it is.. i just think floyd's resume is more impressive but i guess we can agree to disagree morales was past prime but still good. before the 1st morales-pac fight his only loss was to barrera. he was the champ at 130 at the time barrera beat him and that was only a few months before the pac fight. barrera was close to prime in 2003. marquez is in his prime now. the guy aged well like hopkins. the 2008 marquez is actually better than the 2004 marquez. i think pac's resume has bigger names but what works for floyd is that in most of his fights he totally dominates and is undefeated whereas manny has lost and even his wins were close.

Floyd didint "pass up cotto at every turn" cotto entered 140 and was there the same time as floyd, however if you know cotto at 140, floyd would have stopped him, probably within 8. At 147 cotto didint get there until late 06 against quintana, floyd was chasing the DLH fight, he fought baldomir, a floyd fight then was completely out of the question. After fighting de la hoya, which was easily the most anticipated fight between late 06, early 07, he then fought ricky hatton, it was only after cotto defeated judah and then mosley there was some minor demand for the fight. Mayweather then knocked out hatton, should he have fought cotto at that point? Id like to have seen him do it, but neither side aggressively pursued it, at all. What you are saying is basically false by all means when it comes to mayweather. Manny has been coming in at welter against lightweights for a year and a half, he just stopped dlh, and the guy has a point, alot of people are saying manny would have beat DLH at ANY point in his career, saying DLH isnt shot etc. If thats the case, pacman/cotto shouldnt be an issue, weather or not hes been fighting at 140/130 whatever, pac has been weighing in at welter for awhile, i see no reason he shouldnt get in there with cotto, since he is supposedly better than DLH since he stopped him and better than mayweather/rated higher than him this is the whole truth and nothing but the truth.....best post so far!

just my opinion. when you fight barrera in 2003 , marquez in 2004 and morales in 2005. that's brutal. barrera was #3 p4p at the time manny fought him. marquez was #6 p4p in 2004 and #2 or #3 p4p right now. morales was #6 p4p in 2005. people also underrate pacquiao's title wins at 112 and 122. chatchai sasakul was the #1 flyweight in the world when manny beat him. lehlo ledwaba was either #1 or #2 behind bones adams at super bantamweight and manny beat him as a short notice opponent. people forget that. ok good stuff.. i think marquez won both fights but i can see how the judges gave pac the victories.. some thought floyd lost against castillo.. I think pac's best win was against barerra the 1st time in 03.. but i thought he faced morales when he was past his prime.. its not pac's fault or anything but it is what it is.. i just think floyd's resume is more impressive but i guess we can agree to disagree

you know what u sound like a good poster so im gonna ask if you can help me out.. how is pacman's resume better than floyds?? honestly i dont see it and im not trying to hate but can you make a valid argument for manny having a better resume than floyd when his biggest fights were against fighters clearly past their primes? just my opinion. when you fight barrera in 2003 , marquez in 2004 and morales in 2005. that's brutal. barrera was #3 p4p at the time manny fought him. marquez was #6 p4p in 2004 and #2 or #3 p4p right now. morales was #6 p4p in 2005. people also underrate pacquiao's title wins at 112 and 122. chatchai sasakul was the #1 flyweight in the world when manny beat him. lehlo ledwaba was either #1 or #2 behind bones adams at super bantamweight and manny beat him as a short notice opponent. people forget that.

tito's point is not valid. it's as valid as a hopkins fan and a floyd fan arguing about whose fighter was better and the hopkins fan saying floyd should fight pavlik. pac is better than floyd through resume. i for one don't think pac is better skilled. i for one don't think pac can beat floyd head to head. but as far as resume goes......pac is the greater fighter. you know what u sound like a good poster so im gonna ask if you can help me out.. how is pacman's resume better than floyds?? honestly i dont see it and im not trying to hate but can you make a valid argument for manny having a better resume than floyd when his biggest fights were against fighters clearly past their primes?

Manny ain't no Pernell Whitaker/ Floyd Mayweather. I know he wouldn't beat anyone at 154...or a Margarito. Possibly a Cotto but IDK...Honestly, I want to see how BIG of a name Margarito will be once he is done with SSM and Cotto. exactly. defensive fighters can go to higher divisions than offensive fighters. plus pac is smaller than those 2 anyway. don't count shane out. shane is one tough sob and he's still pretty skilled. plus i have a feeling cotto will win the decision in the rematch.

thats mostly because oscar was basically the best fighter in that division. other than say, vernon forrest, wright i think moved to middleweight, then of course, when mayweather/spinks was about to come off, everyone on here lost their minds. spinks-mayweather would have been a boring fight.

Because people have been callin for Mayweather vs Cotto/ Margarito. what does that have to do with pacquiao? because he had 1 fight at 147? like i said......that's holding pacquiao to a higher standard than floyd not the same standard. floyd fought oscar at 154. you don't expect him to fight 154 guys do you? manny jumped to 147 only for oscar. the equivalent of floyd jumping to 154. this is nonsense. knowing manny......i actually wouldn't be surprised if he does take a cotto or marg fight though. lmao

look i'm fine with floyd picking hatton and oscar over cotto and marg. financially we would all do the same thing. cotto and marg if given the opportunity would also. i hate floyd but i'm not one of the bigger floydhaters on this site. my problem with this thread is the threadstarter saying ducking cotto and marg should apply to pacquiao. that's just not the case. pacquiao fighting at 147 for oscar is the equivalent of floyd fighting oscar at 154. did floyd stay at 154 after the oscar fight? then he's holding pacquiao to a HIGHER standard NOT applying the same. thats mostly because oscar was basically the best fighter in that division. other than say, vernon forrest, wright i think moved to middleweight, then of course, when mayweather/spinks was about to come off, everyone on here lost their minds.

and that is the TRUTH. He wanted SSM/ DLH...SSM knew if Floyd would have beaten him...It would have been Floyd against a prime DLH at 147 and not Shane. The only fighter Floyd Well I don't know if I can say ducked but didn't show interest when he should of was Joel Casamayor look i'm fine with floyd picking hatton and oscar over cotto and marg. financially we would all do the same thing. cotto and marg if given the opportunity would also. i hate floyd but i'm not one of the bigger floydhaters on this site. my problem with this thread is the threadstarter saying ducking cotto and marg should apply to pacquiao. that's just not the case. pacquiao fighting at 147 for oscar is the equivalent of floyd fighting oscar at 154. did floyd stay at 154 after the oscar fight? then he's holding pacquiao to a HIGHER standard NOT applying the same.

Lol Benny. Floyd wants it at 147. Didn't you read Hatton trainer said before the Floyd fight, We gave up all the advantage, venue, purse and the weight. I didn't gave Floyd much credit though because Collazo handled him before Floyd did. so then how much credit would you give pacman after hopkins, mosley, sturm, tito and floyd already handled oscar? hattons trainer gave up all of that because they ducked floyd at 140, that was their own fault. hatton used to throughly admit to not being ready for floyd, this is hilarious listening to you whine for a guy who he himself admitted he had no intention of fighting him during that time period.

and that is the TRUTH. He wanted SSM/ DLH...SSM knew if Floyd would have beaten him...It would have been Floyd against a prime DLH at 147 and not Shane. The only fighter Floyd Well I don't know if I can say ducked but didn't show interest when he should of was Joel Casamayor casamayor was at 130 and had just come on the scene when floyd was emerging at 135, so no, that fight was never going to come off.

Go back down...for what? Cotto/ Hatton didn't want none with Mayweather at 140...so Floyd stuck to his goal of going after DLH which meant money and then Hatton which also meant money. By the way, Floyd's goal was DLH since he was a LW that explains a lot.

there is no justification for floyd not fighting those guys, honestly the only reason those two even have a chance against him is size, thats it, seriously. It comes down to floyd needing to fight guys 3x his size just to have a challange, as to why he didint step up to that, i dont know, only he knows, there are many reasons i could use to justify the answers, but i wont, because in reality it doesnt matter, he didint fight them, there is no justification, only he knows the answer. alot of it came down to the fact that floyd only moved up for money, he wanted to fight judah and oscar. When he couldnt get hatton at 140, he had to move up for a legit fight, judah and oscar were those fights, unfortunately for him, welter exploded and i dont think he ever had any intention of doing anything more than what i mentioned, im dead serious. as far as calling out other fighters fans i do think tito has a minor point, that if its fair to say, as some have been doing, that pac is better than floyd and he beat DLH because hes the better fighter, then its fair to say he should get in the ring with other fighters in that division. is that far fetched? tito's point is not valid. it's as valid as a hopkins fan and a floyd fan arguing about whose fighter was better and the hopkins fan saying floyd should fight pavlik. pac is better than floyd through resume. i for one don't think pac is better skilled. i for one don't think pac can beat floyd head to head. but as far as resume goes......pac is the greater fighter.

Floyd's penis is going hard right now. LMAO at Hatton asked it to be at 147. wahahahaha hatton never had any intention of facing floyd at 140, i dont know if its to keep his status in the division, that i dont know, but when floyd was begging for that fight in 04/05, hatton and his team wanted nothing to do with it, twice.

First of all Mayweather moved to 147 for the Oscar fight. But Oscar said make it at 154. Mayweather was going to fight Hatton at 140 but Hatton resfused twice and asked it to be at 147. He did not want to risk his status at 140 smart move then stick with that excuse. don't try to compare pac and floyd as a reason to say why floyd didn't fight cotto and marg. floyd and pac's career up until he fought delahoya has no connection.

then justify floyd not fighting cotto and marg with that. if you want to say it was the business of boxing then that's fine. threadstarter wants to call fans of pacquiao hypocrites for not fighting cotto and marg after ONE fight at 147? fact is he was in marg's division for 2-3 years. he was in cotto's division for a year or so. if he didn't fight them because it was not good boxing business at the time then stick with that. don't call out other fighter's fans just because they like their man more than yours. there is no justification for floyd not fighting those guys, honestly the only reason those two even have a chance against him is size, thats it, seriously. It comes down to floyd needing to fight guys 3x his size just to have a challange, as to why he didint step up to that, i dont know, only he knows, there are many reasons i could use to justify the answers, but i wont, because in reality it doesnt matter, he didint fight them, there is no justification, only he knows the answer. alot of it came down to the fact that floyd only moved up for money, he wanted to fight judah and oscar. When he couldnt get hatton at 140, he had to move up for a legit fight, judah and oscar were those fights, unfortunately for him, welter exploded and i dont think he ever had any intention of doing anything more than what i mentioned, im dead serious. as far as calling out other fighters fans i do think tito has a minor point, that if its fair to say, as some have been doing, that pac is better than floyd and he beat DLH because hes the better fighter, then its fair to say he should get in the ring with other fighters in that division. is that far fetched?

The double standards id ridiculous there's no double standards. name all the years and fights pac was in the same division as cotto and marg. 1 fight and that was 3 weeks ago? lol and floyd stans want to justify that as an excuse? well floyd might not have fought cotto and marg but pac isn't fighting him either. lmao it's pathetic. just say hatton and delahoya was bigger money. that's a more reasonable excuse.

Its like sayin...Floyd if you fight Pac! Someone your size...then your a bitch. floyd was the champ at 147. if he didn't want to fight at 147 then he should have gone back down to 140. you guys need to defend your boy better. you keep giving excuses for him but you guys don't use all the same one. it's like when you ask your bitch where she has been all night. if the bitch is giving 3-4 reasons of where she was......you know something shady is up. lol

Its like sayin...Floyd if you fight Pac! Someone your size...then your a bitch. Why are Floyd fans too keen on chasing a Pac fight but not a Cotto fight, Cotto and Mayweather are practically the same size right :D?