Better legacy. Marciano or Mayweather Jr?

PBF still has time, but as of now if he stays on the shelf, he'll be remembered more for what he didn't do than what he did.

You can still be a winner and not be Mentally 100%. I've heard many say Robinson wasn't exactly the same fighter either after he killed someone in the ring. Charles and Robinson may have lost that killer in them that would seek and destroy...maybe kind of like Jones Jr. was said to have become after what happened to Gerald {his friend}. Ray Mancini also notes in his career that he wasn't the same mentally after he killed a fighter in the ring. They say Ezzard didn't have the 'killer instinct' anymore but it could be because he was fighting bigger men at heavyweight. I've seen many of his heavyweight fights and he doesn't seem to lack anything, he went for the finish and often knocked out his opponents in brutal fashion. Robinson didn't seem to lack any killer instinct either against LaMotta, Graziano, Turpin, Fullmer, etc. Those were brutal finishes. I wouldn't call it a blow out. Walcott was knocked down, but it looked to me he just got up to late. I've seen this with many fights back then where fighters would stay down until the count of 8 or 9 but couldn't jump up in time to beat the count...or, if the ref was at 9 by the time they were up the ref would just stop it. I wonder if this is why they started the standing 8 count...or was it around back then too? Walcott did say that he wasn't given the full count but he looked like a shot fighter in there and Rocky walked over him. Much different from what he was in the first fight against Marciano.

I know Benny. You know your stuff. This is why I said I understood why Floyd took the fight with Baldomir, however; he should have fought the Big 3 {Margarito, Williams, and Cotto} or at least one of the three. Even when he stepped up to 147, he waisted two fights against Mitchell and Judah; two fighters Tszyu destroyed at 140. Floyd could have at least fought more often to get one of these fighters in at some point. I know Floyd may have been smaller than all three, or at least two out of the three, but a victory over at least one would have gave him some type of solid legacy at 147. And that is why I say his Legacy is under 147. The Hatton fight to me was just a make-up fight for the two refusals by Hatton to fight him there {at 140}. Plus, when he moved up to 147 he became so damn boring. The Mitchell figth was OK, but after that was sleepy time for me. Smart fighting, but boring fighting.

I agree with this way of thinking but tell that to many other posters who will come back and discredit a figther for not picking up the lineal title. I know Benny. You know your stuff.

It was not a trick question. I dont know much about the fighting weights TBH. It's a bit off-topic but on appearance it seems to me that Pac is the smaller man compared to Mayweather. Quite possible but he has thickened dramatically. So much so that he can't make weight at 135 and showed up at 147 by fight time for the Diaz fight. Even Roach said that Manny has matured physically. Even in the fight against Oscar, remember Lampley even commentating about how big/thick Manny looked. It would be interesting to see Floyd and Manny stand next to each other. I would have said Manny was smaller, but now...I'm not to sure; they might be the same. Floyd is taller but Manny is thick now. If I had to pick one, I would still say Floyd is slightly the bigger man.

Baldomir was a lineal champ and today Zsolt Erdei is the lineal champ a 175. It doesn't make them the best of the division by any means. So picking up a belt is not necessarily worth a lot. It depends on who you beat to get it and Baldomir is really not a great win IMO. Beating DLH was a great win yes. I am one of the few who enjoyed that fight and I would have like to see a rematch. I agree with this way of thinking but tell that to many other posters who will come back and discredit a figther for not picking up the lineal title.

Charles was without a doubt past his prime but he was still a very good fighter. The first Marciano fight was one of his greatest performances. Here's the fight that got Charles his title shot: Bert Sugar says a lot of things... Charles was 26 when he killed Baroudi and went on to become a great heavyweight after that. Walcott was an inconsistent fighter. He had many ugly losses but also great wins over Charles, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Elmer Ray, Jimmy Bivins... He should've won the first fight against Louis, and was winning the second one until Louis caught him in the 11th. You can see how inconsistent he was even against Marciano. The first fight was one of Walcott's best performances in which he gave Marciano hell for 13 rounds. In the second fight he was blown out in one round. Jersey Joe WalcottUploaded by TheGreatA I know, I know...Bert Sugar says a lot of things...sometimes I agree and other times, I don't. I thought I would throw his comment in there because he was the "historian" on this topic on Ringside. Sugar may also get a lot of his info from sources around at the time so saying Charles wasn't mentally quite the same killer fighter may not be off. I don't know personally; I haven't done a whole lot of research on the topic. You can still be a winner and not be Mentally 100%. I've heard many say Robinson wasn't exactly the same fighter either after he killed someone in the ring. Charles and Robinson may have lost that killer in them that would seek and destroy...maybe kind of like Jones Jr. was said to have become after what happened to Gerald {his friend}. Ray Mancini also notes in his career that he wasn't the same mentally after he killed a fighter in the ring. In the second fight he was blown out in one round I wouldn't call it a blow out. Walcott was knocked down, but it looked to me he just got up to late. I've seen this with many fights back then where fighters would stay down until the count of 8 or 9 but couldn't jump up in time to beat the count...or, if the ref was at 9 by the time they were up the ref would just stop it. I wonder if this is why they started the standing 8 count...or was it around back then too? Now this was brutal: Ezzard Charles vs Jersey Joe Walcott III ko

true but mayweather was the lineal champ 3 of those 5 times..and going from 130 and beating oscar for the wbc belt at 154 is a big accomplishment Baldomir was a lineal champ and today Zsolt Erdei is the lineal champ a 175. It doesn't make them the best of the division by any means. So picking up a belt is not necessarily worth a lot. It depends on who you beat to get it and Baldomir is really not a great win IMO. Beating DLH was a great win yes. I am one of the few who enjoyed that fight and I would have like to see a rematch.

take into account skills and talent as well as resume and there is only one winner - Money May

um????yea..he's a blown up jww What does that mean? Is he a WW or JWW?

Depends on how you want to look at it. If we go by fight-time weight based on other JrWW fight time weight...yeah...149 is what most JrWW fight at by fight time. Pac was 147 pounds for fight-time when he fought at 135. Floyd at 149 is a Welterweight if we want to go by actual division weight and not fight-time weight. If we stick with fight-time weight, what is Margarito, Williams (when he was there), Cotto, and the rest? Is he a JrWW? NO..not at the end of the day because he fought at WW last, but so did Pac {joke}. Floyd won the 147 title so he has to count as a WW obviously. It was not a trick question. I dont know much about the fighting weights TBH. It's a bit off-topic but on appearance it seems to me that Pac is the smaller man compared to Mayweather.

mayweather..he went thru 5 divisions Beating an alphabet champ really aint that big of an achievement in itself. Ray Leonard became champion at 168 and 175 by beating Don Lalonde who was then 175 champion and considered the weakest of the alphabet champs at the time.

Are you implying that Floyd is still a junior WW? Depends on how you want to look at it. If we go by fight-time weight based on other JrWW fight time weight...yeah...149 is what most JrWW fight at by fight time. Pac was 147 pounds for fight-time when he fought at 135. Floyd at 149 is a Welterweight if we want to go by actual division weight and not fight-time weight. If we stick with fight-time weight, what is Margarito, Williams (when he was there), Cotto, and the rest? Is he a JrWW? NO..not at the end of the day because he fought at WW last, but so did Pac {joke}. Floyd won the 147 title so he has to count as a WW obviously.

What do you mean he grew into a WW??? What is the meaning of natural weight to you?? Mayweather weighs 148 at WW. Pacman at 135 fight night is 147 and at 147 fight night he is 148. Did Pacman grow into a WW?? I suppose then that you think it would be reasonable to make a Floyd vs. Pac at 140 then. For the record Mikkel Kessler fights at 168 lbs. Come fight night he usually weighs around170.

The results of this poll has really put the level of idiocy on this site into a proper perspective.

How did he grow into 147? The kid weighed 149 by fight-time while everybody else was about +9 pounds over that. If anything, 149 is the usual fight-time weight of a JrWW; it's Ricky Hatton's weight for example...or better yet, Pac's weight of 147 by fight time when he fought at 135 (division) was closer to Floyd than what Margarito was by fight-time. The big thing I had against Mayweather at 147 was that he said he was the best at 147, then ripped the likes of SRR and SRL, yet he was the one that didn't fight the best in the division (147) that he said he was the best at. But, we can say why he moved up to the bigger weight division: O$car. Just like Pac who never had any intention to fight the best at 147 but would fight a past prime Oscar; Floyd did the same except Floyd had to fight Oscar at a healthier weight of 154. Are you implying that Floyd is still a junior WW?

although i expect marciano to win the poll due to nostalgia and the fact that certain posters may have an agenda against a fighter like mayweather and (certain fanboyism over a fighter like marciano), it is clear to me that mayweather is p4p the better, more skilled fighter, his 6 titles in 5 weight divisions and his better resume also adds onto the fact that he has the better legacy imo what are u ****ing kidding ????? Marciano fanboyism? Ahhahahahah mayweather has the largest homosexual following in the united states

Marciano fought absolutely no prime fighters in his career And Floyd ducked Pac and Margo,cotto. Marciano is WAAAAAAAAAAAAY greater than gayweather.

If Floyd were to stay retired, he and Marciano would be 2 of a very short list of boxers who retired undefeated. Who do you think had the better legacy, and accomplished more throughout thier careers? wow..the poll is 50/50 ..

Point is wins over an out of prime Walcott, Charles and Louis do not compare to winning titles in 5 weight classes. Not even close.