Fighters moving up in weight should eat and train, not lift weights...just like PAC

Mackie Shilstone argues otherwise. RJJ looked pretty good going up to heavyweight, as did Hopkins going up to Light Heavyweight. Both followed Shilstone's routine with high-intensity workouts with heavy weights and proper nutrition. It's not about whether or not you lift weights, it's about how you lift weights. not really, mackie trained bhop for joe, and bhop did not use him vs pavlik and looked a whole lot better vs pavlik than joe while only being 5 lbs lighter. i'm not saying anything in regards to comparing joe vs pavlik on equal ground. i am looking at bernard from a conditioning stand point. bhop was more athletic and all around trained vs pavlik, yet he was bulky looking, and not nearly as light on his feet vs joe.

yeah i agree with this.....low weights and high rep is great for boxers due to the fact that this will increase your endurance allowing you to throw more punches...high weights and low rep will do nothing for a boxer other than slow him down

Weights do nothing for me in boxing. Only fighter with ALOT of muscle I've seen have alot of speed overall was Tyson. Although there aren't too many Tysons Emmanuel Stewards also mentioned that Tyson was really the only one of his bulk that could fight the full 12 rounds. Although, he did say in a video interview a while back that he thought Tyson would start to die out in the later rounds...and it was brought back up not too long ago during the commentating. However, I think Emmanuel’s first thoughts during that commentating before he was corrected was in talking about the young Tyson under Rooney who was said not to lift or not lift all that much...and stuck with floor exercise...who was able to fight the full 12. Then you have the post-prison Tyson who was lifting and his physique changed from smooth muscle to tighter muscle even though he was around similar weight. It's really hard to say it's weight lifting only that hindered Tyson's stamina after Rooney because we don't know exactly where his conditioning was and where his mind was at after prison since if you can't keep calm your heart rate goes up and it burns fuel faster. Tyson in his youth: http://www.lissfit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/mike_tyson.jpg Tyson post prison: http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/us/ga/buzz/feature/vg11/vg_baddestvillians_miketyson_fullsize.jpg Although looking at Pac, the kid is ripped/tight.

Weights do nothing for me in boxing. Only fighter with ALOT of muscle I've seen have alot of speed overall was Tyson. Although there aren't too many Tysons who's that middleweight in your avatar? anyways......tyson's body in his prime wasn't through weighlifting though. he was just naturally big. i think he was 200 lbs. at 12-14 yrs. old. you can tell the difference between tyson in his prime and the tyson afterwards that was lifting. weightlifting has no benefit in boxing or most other sports. you build strong muscles just by hitting the bag and sparring plus it develops the right muscles needed for the job. look at swimmers. they don't lift too much heavy weights even though being strong is required to be fast. they develop their muscles through actual swimming. shit! i think swimming has more benefit for a boxer than weight lifting. swimmer's bodies are perfect for boxing and swimming develops stamina and very strong arms and legs.

Mackie Shilstone argues otherwise. RJJ looked pretty good going up to heavyweight, as did Hopkins going up to Light Heavyweight. Both followed Shilstone's routine with high-intensity workouts with heavy weights and proper nutrition. It's not about whether or not you lift weights, it's about how you lift weights. How many punches did Roy throw in that fight against Ruiz compared to his lighter days at 160-168 or even 175? And, maybe it's just the weight increase, but Roy was looking a bit tired and needed his rest in the Ruiz fight. Even at 175 when he was lifting he became more of a pot-shot artist than his lighter days. If he was lifting weights at 160-168...that would help to know. Hopkins: didn't have a high punch-out-put for Tarver and Tarver showed up flat from the weight loss. Hopkins was out-worked in the later rounds and was tired when he went up against Calzaghe. Mackie I don't think trained him for Pavlik. It's hard to say with Hopkins because his punch-out-put had been on the decline for years. Weight-lifting didn't see to help Tyson after prison. Maybe he was just too far gone...not sure. However, I did hear Mackie trained Bowe when he fought Holyfield and Bowe's conditioning looked very good. I'll assume that Mackie had him lifting weights. He also trained Spinks when he moved up. Holyfield lifted weights. Freddie wasn't a big fan of Tyson lifting weights. Emmanuel Stewards also had comments about lifting weights and burning out faster when pressed in fights.

what kind of weights though? heavy weights in short multiple reps will probably be detrimental to a boxer but light weights in long reps probably won't be. i think floyd was doing upright rows..

Mackie Shilstone argues otherwise. RJJ looked pretty good going up to heavyweight, as did Hopkins going up to Light Heavyweight. Both followed Shilstone's routine with high-intensity workouts with heavy weights and proper nutrition. It's not about whether or not you lift weights, it's about how you lift weights.

what kind of weights though? heavy weights in short multiple reps will probably be detrimental to a boxer but light weights in long reps probably won't be. They looked light and he was probably doing reps.

Floyd was seen lifting weights in the clips with him going to the 24/7 weight training complex in Vegas. what kind of weights though? heavy weights in short multiple reps will probably be detrimental to a boxer but light weights in long reps probably won't be.

Benny, you sure you arent talking about SSM? Because i dont ever remember reading that floyd lifted Floyd was seen lifting weights in the clips with him going to the 24/7 weight training complex in Vegas. How often, not sure.

roach and manny has been adding on weight perfectly. adding muscle doesn't add power. having to cut less weight on the other hand might and it certainly helps stamina. look at the difference between the heavyweights of the past and the heavyweights now. heavyweights now are bigger but not necessarily more powerful. can someone honestly tell me the big 240-250 lb. super heavyweights now hit any harder than a 215 lb. earnie shavers? or 220 lb. george foreman? they are bulkier and more muscular for sure but i doubt their punching power is much higher. their stamina definitely is much lower. they use to go 15 rounds hard in the old days.....now heavyweights gas punching 25 punches a round.

Benny, you sure you arent talking about SSM? Because i dont ever remember reading that floyd lifted