You know what's the most annoying thing about the fighters Floyd avoided?

He would have beaten them all. hear hear!

He would have beaten them all. Preach on brotha.

What makes it more funny is that if he beat them all he still would get no credit like he does now Too very true!!!

What makes it more funny is that if he beat them all he still would get no credit like he does now Man, it is so easy to say our ideas when it isn't hapenning yet...but when the fight happens, we all have a lot of excuses to make. It happened to Bernard Hopkins vs Pavlik, to Pacquiao vs Dela Hoya, to Baldomir vs Judah, etc. The point is, Floyd simply avoided the fighters he was supposed to fight!

...LOL...are you even old enough to have seen Camacho fight in his prime?...how about Whittaker?...how about this one, did you see Sugar Ray Leonard when he quit against Terry Norris?...that was beautiful, the high ability boxer getting out boxed...the look on Leonard's face in the 7th I think was priceless as he was sitting on his butt...back to the subject at hand, Mayweather is the second coming of Camacho, not the second coming of Whittaker...watch him leading up to the announcement in the DLH fight, even he didn't think he did enough to win the fight...I will say this, he did win all his fights, and he did retire when he should have...I give him that much, he's a smart kid... Kabuki Joe You are being very unfair to Camacho. Camacho couldn't punch, and he could be a little boring at times, but he was always willing to flurry his way out of a situation, and before the fight with Rosario, he was actually pretty damn exciting. Even when he did get boring, he atleast brought a little showmanship to the ring. The thing about Floyd is... he is not only unapologetically boring, he does absolutely nothing to make up for it.

As if being 39-0 is a big deal. Calzaghe has a better record, gosh even Chris John has a better record at 42-0 :D Shane Mosley went 38-0 and he did it in far more entertaining fashion..

Umm you jsut asked what age has to do with quitting and gave me the ONE example out of maybe 5 total ever of older fighters not getting beat up and quitting as they age. It's clear you've never boxed, are a troll and a ****ing moron. Shut the **** up. ...you sound like you are retaining water and unhappy because of "cramps"...take a mydol and you'll feel better, now back to the question, how old are you?...you don't sound like a seasoned fight fan, you sound like a kid that get's mad when you don't get your way... Kabuki Joe

Ah okay, got it. So you aren't admiring skills, just how much excitement a fighter brings. Again I think you should place Gatti as the 1 fighter of all time based on your criteria. It's not whether he beats them or not, its how he beats them. He wins over them by decision in a fight where he runs and clinches 75% of the time, he's doesn't get respect. He gets a win, but he's still boring. He wins over Pacman by decision, so what? He's got the tools to do that. Skills, reach advantage. He has to win over Pacman the same way he won over Gatti to earn props, don't tell me he can't, Pacman's just a blown-up superfeather. He doesn't even need to be exciting, he just has to do more boxing than running and clinching. I'm sure Mayweather has skills that is enough to do that right? :D Gatti's is your posterboy, he's Mayweather's best win right? Can't blame you for feeling gay with the dude.

Please don't try to make fun of my reading comprehension. Your grammar is atrocious. It's really quite bad, so you should just stay away from that one. So if Floyd fought and beat any of those guys would you shut up? Or still call him a runner? What if he KO's or beats Pac? It's not whether he beats them or not, its how he beats them. He wins over them by decision in a fight where he runs and clinches 75% of the time, he's doesn't get respect. He gets a win, but he's still boring. He wins over Pacman by decision, so what? He's got the tools to do that. Skills, reach advantage. He has to win over Pacman the same way he won over Gatti to earn props, as in it should be a dominating performance, not some lucky-lucky-shot-plus-turnbuckle-slam KO. Don't tell me he can't, Pacman's just a blown-up superfeather. :D

So in your mind Arturo Gatti is the greatest fighter of all time. LOL@me being a "nuthug". Gotcha. That's why I said Williams would beat him. And according to you since Floyd isn't exciting he has no skills. Awesome analysis. Can't blame you if your understanding of simple sentences is moronic :D I haven't mentioned Gatti, but why not. Gatti was giving his all in every fight, if he had 50% of Floyd's skills, Gatti would have been a great fighter. Gatti went up in weight and never got boring unlike Mayweather, too bad Gatti didn't have the skills to go with his heart. Mayweather had the skills but he's too conscious of letting that aura of invincibility get tainted in my opinion, that's why he became too defensive-oriented. Sort of like, "**** the audience, I'm getting this win whether I look good or not." To bad Mayweather didn't have the heart to go with his skills. I think he can get away doing that with certain fighters but definitely not guys like the big three at welter. Having Williams winning over Mayweather doesn't prove you're not a nuthug, you're simply stating a fact. Like I said, Floyd has skills, but he has no heart. His being boring probably stems from that fact, and I believe he loses to someone who has both heart and the skills, even if those skills aren't as good as Floyds. :D

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He was moving and countering Oscar. Once he had him hurt in the mid round he started with the 3-4-5s. Floyd never had Oscar hurt like that. I guess Floyd took it easy against Hatton when he had him hurt too. Come on man, get a grip. No. Pac was offensive from the opening bell. As early as the 2nd round, he was landing hard shots on Oscar. He wasnt just waiting to counter. He was bringing the fight TO Oscar. When Floyd fought Hatton, Floyd didnt become offensive until around the 7th round. Prior to that, all he did was throw 1 punch and hold.

So you pretend you are objective, know something about boxing, and aren't just a nationalistic nuthugger of Pac, but post stuff like this when people argue your idiocy with logic. I asked you a simple question which you can't answer, because you are either buried in Pac's nuts, really really ****ing stupid, or just a troll: What does excitement have to do with analyzing if Floyd would have won those fights against Marg, Kostya, Williams, Cotto? Do you realize you probably have a learning disability? Dude, you're the Floyd nuthug here, I haven't even said anything about Pacman in this thread. :D Mayweather is not an exciting fighter, he runs and clinches a lot, use lots of elbows and forearms...if those are the "skills" you believe will be enough to deter Margarito or Cotto or Williams from unloading on Floyd, that's your opinion. He can't bore those guys to a decision, these guys will actually give him a fight and I don't think he'd win. :D

Um he out boxed DLH. He didn't brawl with him. I mean it's great that he kept his power and all but still. I will say that he does still finish guys off when they are hurt. That's cool to see. The point is, Pac was on the offense for the majority of the fight. He could've played it safe, and chose to pot shot and run against Oscar, but he chose to give the fans thier moneys worth, and humiliate Oscar with 3-4-5 punch combos.

So the high ability fighter always quits against the pressure fighter? And you're questioning how old I am? ****ing moron. Sugar Ray leanard fought Norris in 1991. HOW OLD was SRL? Are you a complete ****ing idiot or just trolling? I think a bit of both. I've seen Camacho and Whitaker fight. LOL@you guessing my age and boxing experience. Failed again troll. ...huh?...who said that?...Terry Norris is pretty much a carbon copy of Sugar Ray Leonard...and yes, he evetually quit too...age?...wtf does that have to do with quitting?...Foreman was fighting up until 44 I think, and he never quit, and he was beat up by Tommy Morrison...and you answered my question, you are kid that watches bits and pieces of past fights on youtube... Kabuki Joe

Only if he would of stayed there:fing02: It probably would have become boring seeing him tear fighters apart ;) He would have been criticized for staying there. Fun to watch him back then.

Uh, Duran went up in weight and didn't become boring. Same with Hearns, Leonard, Trinidad, etc. even Marquez got more exciting as he went up from feather to lightweight. Going up in weight is not an excuse to be boring. Lets not forget PACMAN! He came up from 106 - 147, and has actually become MORE exciting!

floyd had to fight more defensively as he went up in weight... he's got brittle hands and shoulder problems. boxing is about hitting and not getting hit. Uh, Duran went up in weight and didn't become boring. Same with Hearns, Leonard, Trinidad, etc. even Marquez got more exciting as he went up from feather to lightweight. Going up in weight is not an excuse to be boring.

Yeah! How dare you compare Camacho to Mayweather, Camacho was an exciting fighter for chrissake, Mayweather isn't. HUGE difference. :D ...LOL...you know what, you got me there...Camacho was very exciting to watch...he never stood there waiting for someone to throw a punch, he was always busy busy busy... Kabuki Joe

Fare enough, at least you accept the fact that he is boring. :D floyd had to fight more defensively as he went up in weight... he's got brittle hands and shoulder problems. boxing is about hitting and not getting hit.