I agree with this. Im pretty tough on Floyd, but he is great. A win over Pacquiao probably elevates him to the top. I just wish he would/will fight the best fighters on a more consistent basis.
** Manny a shoe in.
Poppy takes some big losses this decade and not exciting. Roy past it by mid decade. Oscar competitive but losing. Floydy retired really hasn't challenged anyone in his division since Castillo who seems to have neutered his brilliant offense to boring defense. Super Joe's biggest challenges fall short of the mark also, probably about even with Floydy.
Manny will blast out Ricky faster without an assist from the ref and turnbuckle, clowning two fighters that gave Floydy a scrap. Floydy/Manny can't be made immediately as too much guaranteed money already in the bank with Ricky.
Floydy used Arum as the excuse for not facing Marg or Cotto and retired in the middle of Oscar promotions and blasted HBO for slave wages that he says made him a billionaire.
Go figure Floydy math and his next retirement because nobody to bother anymore. May have to put up a bond to fight Manny to protect Arum from his retiring in the middle of the promotion again, that's if Arum even allows him a a whiff of Manny's earning potential.
No, it's pretty much a done deal for Manny unless Ricky upsets him setting up a scramble. Floydy out in the cold and no big names for Joe.
Is Manny Pacquiao the fighter of the decade so far? Vote and discuss.
how many former 106 lbers do you see dominating former middleweight titlists???
it's all pac muhfukkas.
i think so...however, had Hopkins beaten Taylor and Calzaghe, it would be a much tougher choice
Hell, I think if Hopkins had beaten EITHER of those guys it would have been a much tougher choice. I think it was El Dominicano who made a great point about Bernard last night. Like I said then though, fighter of the decade has a lot to do with popularity as well as accomplishment. Hopkins fails in that catagory compared to Floyd or Manny. Its not fair, bujt it is the truth.
if he runs the table and logs wins over hatton and floyd, then i would say so...
the HOF names collected on the resume would be hard to argue with
What if he just gets the Hatton win and say a Valero or somebody of that caliber before losing again? Would he still edge it out?
Here's a reasonable argument, last week....last f***king week (lol) you said DLH was an ATG and Vargas, Quartey and Mayorga were HoFers. You said this, many of us saw it and shook our heads in disbelief. Now after Manny wins you're turning your back on DLH and asking if Pac is the best of the decade. When did you become such a bandwagon fan? Also instead of saying I'm this and that or I said this or that, find the posts and back up your words instead of making claims then backing down with your "flame on" cowards way out comment.
Next morning and you're still trying to start a flame war. Obsessed much?
As far as Manny goes, I've always been a fan. Oh, thats right, you wouldn't remember me arguing with boof and Joe about him on AOL because you were supposedly banned, right Fedor?
And when you can come up with 75 better fighters than DLH and why.....get back to me on the other thread and quit being a troll on this one. You couldn't even come up with 50 before. Until then, quit trying to act like you know something. You're an embarrassment to boxing fans everywhere.
PBF has to come out of retirement to stop Pac being ahead of him this decade.
BH i descibe more as a great spoiler than a great fighter in the truest sense of the word. But he does have a good record BH no doubt about it. But some naughty losses to JT.
Right now its close. One more big win would put him over the top for me without a doubt though.
Floyd and Manny are neck and neck for the one spot. If absolutely forced to pick I would probably favor Manny. But strong arguments can be made for Mayweather with little difficulty.
Hopkins would most likely be 3rd followed by Calzaghe. After that it gets a little fuzzy.
I think Floyd may actually be a better fighter but Manny's resume is better..
One more win, against Hatton or someone of that calibre, and he's at the top.
A win over Mayweather, and there would be absolutely no doubt.
Agree totally, if Pacquiao beats Hatton in the summer next year
and went on to fight and beat Mayweather, then he is.
Genaro Hernandez was one of the best fighters of the late 80s and early 90s, but was old and shot when he fought Mayweather in his last fight.
If Hernandez was shot then so was Morales for all 3 fights and Barrera was half down the back side of his career and completely shot for the 2nd fight with Pac.
hmmm......
he turned pro around 20. he fought a HOFer in his 1st pro fight?
the 1st HOFer he fought was probably castillo that was in 02.
pacquiao fought barrera in 03. pacquiao is almost 2 years younger.
you do the math.
WRONG
You do the math the 1st HOF'er he fought was Genaro Hernandez in 1998.
I have no idea who is fighter of the decade but both PBF and PAc have great arguements
Tough call.
Mayweather is the better (classier?) fighter, but his resume doesn't contain the kind of names present in Manny's. That said, I believe Manny was extremely fortunate to beat Marquez (I'm not entirely sure he deserved the draw either) and I don't believe MAB and Morales were in their absolute primes.
A showdown between the two would settle all arguments. I think Floyd has too much for Manny. Too big. Too strong. Too smart.
On the surface of the ODH result it appears that Manny has tightened his game up significantly. I guess both he and Roach know he can't afford to continue to lunge in like a wild man whilst going up the weight divisions. Against Oscar the plan of get-in-combo-get-out worked perfectly. But will he retain that discipline against someone who isn't a walking punch-bag, as Oscar was? Someone who has a nasty (from Manny's perspective) habit of NOT getting hit and then hitting you back? I'm not sure.
Either way, both fighters are worthy candidates. Although, as has been mentioned, BHOP's achievements are pretty substantial also.
I vote for Danny Williams.
is this from 98? or 2000?
If it's from '98; the KO loss hurts.
If it's from 2000, which means it is still going on and we would have to say, "up until now," then he has a solid resume and looks good in competing for the best so far.
and we still hold floyd to a high standard .... even myself at times would get fustrated if floyd didnt fight every up and comer to his division.
but i have come to learn that while we may be saying oh he needs to fight
marg , he needs to fight cotto, he needs to fight (fill in blank). we have to consider this man has been fighting hall of famers since he was 20 years old
I REPEAT 20 YEARS OLD THATS ONLY A MINISCULE THREE YEARS OLDER ME.
AND HE HASNT LOSS !!!!!!!
hmmm......
he turned pro around 20. he fought a HOFer in his 1st pro fight?
the 1st HOFer he fought was probably castillo that was in 02.
pacquiao fought barrera in 03. pacquiao is almost 2 years younger.
you do the math.
Beat all the mexican greats like barrera, morales, DLH. So yes i would put pacman top on what hes achieved alone. If he continues to achieve even more, that will just elevate him even more so.
But when Pac beats people, people say he beat past it fighters. Its jus Pac made them look past it. Barrera was still great, and the way he stopped tough Morales.
Got to give it to him, especially when they said DLH and Pac shouldnt happen because it was a mismatch. For that criminal comment, Pac should actually be given money compensation.
I think it is reasonable to look at where the opponent/fighter was at in their career.
How many fights did the fighter/opponent have. How many tough battles was he in. How many times had he been knocked down or knocked out. Who was he fighting that could take away some life in his boxing career.
Did the opponent struggle to make weight.
Things like that.
If we didn't, then Holmes should be given credit for his win over Ali; same with Berbick over Ali.
Morales and Barrera went through some tough fights together.
And we all saw what Zahir did with Morales.
Everything has to be broken down.
For the topic: If we go with the most exciting fighter of the decade: he might get it; I'll decide later after I think it through. For accomplishments: have to think this through as well. He hasn't exactly come away clean in all his fights but he has kept moving up and had some good wins. He was great to the fans.