It happens to everyone....

People probably aren't going to understand how much Oscar means to this sport until he is gone. I guarantee that if you come back on these boards in two years time the same individuals that have labelled him a fraud and a disgrace to the sport will be crying that boxing needs another De la Hoya. Great post.

Hell yea! I wouldn't wished a painful end to the other guys mentioned by the TS cuz they didn't go outta their way to be blasphemous and hypocritical. But no beef wit DLH now that it's over. He was a beast in his day and did a lot for the sport. People probably aren't going to understand how much Oscar means to this sport until he is gone. I guarantee that if you come back on these boards in two years time the same individuals that have labelled him a fraud and a disgrace to the sport will be crying that boxing needs another De la Hoya.

Sure was a joy to watch. Hell yea! I wouldn't wished a painful end to the other guys mentioned by the TS cuz they didn't go outta their way to be blasphemous and hypocritical. But no beef wit DLH now that it's over. He was a beast in his day and did a lot for the sport.

someone who's been boxing that long should know better...especially their own body and really, you really think a 160lb DLH would have made a difference? you think it would have improved his speed? I don't know it would have made a difference, all I am saying or talking about is how DLH looked fight night. Not arguing the outcome. I really can't say for sure one way or the other what the outcome would have been. Hindsight though I would still pick Manny to win maybe just not the way it ended. Not discrediting Manny either he looked great. But when you go into a fight drained as DLH did you already go in with a huge disadvantage and then you have the age difference. The funny thing about it when I found out about the fight I honestly thought DLH was an pussy for taking the fight over a smaller guy....but man do those 20mil sure look good in his bank account now....so it really doesn't matter... but then that is another thread all in its entirety...I will just leave it at that.

Well said. I respect DLH a lot even though i'm not really a fan of his. He accomplished a lot in his career. I remember hearing his name in the 90's like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's just sad that he had to go out like that. I told everyone before the fight. "De La Hoya is going to lose. It's not going to be a pretty one and it's going to hurt a lot of De La Hoya fans, but Pacquiao is going to eat him up" I almost couldn't believe what i was witnessing. I could believe it and I didn't want to see it. I was reluctant on paying for the payperview but as always my homeboys called me and said let's pitch in. So I collected the money at the door and thought the worst. I didn't see it coming like this but I knew DLH wasn't right. Pac is a great fighter no doubt and I would rather see him fight someone like Hatton, that would be a much better fight. As far as DLH at 160 vs Pac, I don't think it would have made a difference. We watched 3 great fighters colapse this year and it wasn't pretty. Watching Roy Jones get beaten up, Trinidad get beaten up and now DLH. It's ugly but it's part of the game.

As for the thread title, nope, it doesn't happen to everyone. Some fighters are smart enough to know when to get out of the game. Calzaghe (if he retires soon) and Lewis being examples of smart fighters who exited the game while on top. Besides, De La Hoya ain't shot. That's a weak excuse designed to make fans feel better and discredit the fighter who beat the shit out of him. And here's my take on it: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229593 It may not happen to everyone, but it certainly happens to at least 90% of great fighters. I'm not sure if Oscar was shot or not. But I have been rewatching a lot of prime DLH and the man that was in that ring on the weekend would be lucky to last 2 rounds against him.

^^ I will.. that doesnt change the fact .. that i though that even with that. .he was going to ko manny so... even with the drained shit.... manny deserves all the credit

How many of you (serious posters/boxing fans) would say that the weight drained him also , of course, as well as his age? it was a combination of Manny completely overwhelming him with his hard, quick shots, quick movement, crazy angles, etc AND Oscar did look drained though, you cant deny that. His legs looked like those of a prepubescent girl.

How many of you (serious posters/boxing fans) would say that the weight drained him also , of course, as well as his age?

As for the thread title, nope, it doesn't happen to everyone. Some fighters are smart enough to know when to get out of the game. Calzaghe (if he retires soon) and Lewis being examples of smart fighters who exited the game while on top. Besides, De La Hoya ain't shot. That's a weak excuse designed to make fans feel better and discredit the fighter who beat the shit out of him. And here's my take on it: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229593 I never once used the word "shot" so I don't know where you got that from. The truth is, Oscar is a shell of his former self. You can try and make this into some great victory by Pac but in reality it was a no win situation for DLH. If you look at DLH last 3 fights; Mayweather, Forbes and now Pac, he was on a steady decline. He looked great vs Mayweather and it shocked a lot of people. He so much faster then than he is now and that wasn't too long ago. Against Forbes, he was getting hit more often than we had ever seen and Roach saw that as well. Even Roach said that Oscar isn't anywhere close to the fighter he used to be and that's why he took the fight. If Roach saw that, then I take his word over you. Oscar looked sluggish, slow and unable to deal with Pac's speed. It was like Ali vs Holmes and Leonard vs Norris. It was the passing of the guard but in this case, Oscar has been irrelevant for a long time now. I respect Pac to the utmost but he beat on an old Oscar, just the honest truth.

I think De La Hoya should pass some of this wisdom onto Evander Holyfield. :nonono:

For all you DLH haters out there, relishing this beating we witnessed this past weekend. You need to understand boxing from a historical point of view. What happened to DLH was no different than what happened to Ali vs Holmes, Leonard vs Norris or DLH vs Chavez. It was a young lion taking out an old one. Nothing you can say can tarnish what DLH has done in the sport.....nothing. He's and all time great and will go down as one of the best fighters of our generation. His accomplishments are what they are and even though it was tough seeing a younger, faster Pacquiao destroying him, it was only a matter of time. DLH is done, there's no doubt about. He should retire and make a bigger impact on boxing as a promoter and try and do what's right for the sport. He has the smarts and the backup to do it. Time to get Arum and King out of the sport and clean it up and bring some relevance back to boxing. i dunno about the ATG talk...

As for the thread title, nope, it doesn't happen to everyone. Some fighters are smart enough to know when to get out of the game. Calzaghe (if he retires soon) and Lewis being examples of smart fighters who exited the game while on top. Besides, De La Hoya ain't shot. That's a weak excuse designed to make fans feel better and discredit the fighter who beat the shit out of him. And here's my take on it: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=229593 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

i totally agree, there is no way you can stay on top forever, no way. there is always an end and in boxing the end is never pretty, its the hurt business and when you arent the fighter you used to be thats what happens, the business catches up to you and well, you get hurt. you cant take anything away from what dlh has done in his career. even though all his big wins were against faded past their prime fighters and all his loses were to fighters in there prime. i always felt dlh was a b+ or maybe a- fighter, but what he did for the sport will always be remembered, the man can sell fights and when he was in his prime he put on one hell of a show, win or lose (and some of those wins i feel he lost, sweet pea, ike, melina, sturm) much respect for dlh even though i never really liked him as a fighter. :chairshot

Yep if you stay in boxing it is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. No one can defy father time forever (of course the punishment on the body also plays a part). I agree with the rest also.

For all you DLH haters out there, relishing this beating we witnessed this past weekend. You need to understand boxing from a historical point of view. What happened to DLH was no different than what happened to Ali vs Holmes, Leonard vs Norris or DLH vs Chavez. It was a young lion taking out an old one. Nothing you can say can tarnish what DLH has done in the sport.....nothing. He's and all time great and will go down as one of the best fighters of our generation. His accomplishments are what they are and even though it was tough seeing a younger, faster Pacquiao destroying him, it was only a matter of time. DLH is done, there's no doubt about. He should retire and make a bigger impact on boxing as a promoter and try and do what's right for the sport. He has the smarts and the backup to do it. Time to get Arum and King out of the sport and clean it up and bring some relevance back to boxing. i was thinking ali vs. holmes when the fight got into the middle rounds on saturday.

That's how I see it. All good things come to an end. Thanks for the trip, Oscar.

Sure was a joy to watch.