Since when has Oscar been SHOT?

I'm not a big Floyd fan; just a boxing fan. I prefer to watch Manny Pac fight actually and like Manny's attitude over Floyd's. The problem I had with Floyd, especially in the Oscar fight, as well as the Hatton fight, is that he NOW only does enough to win...where before he went out from the first round to win. He has become a more cautious fighter now. The article right before the Hatton fight concerned me when he said he basically said he fights differently now because he has kids and such. He Mentally changed...which is why I said he was now a declined fighter as far as I'm concerned...which I had posters say I was making excuses. But the facts are, Prime to me, is when you are at your Mental and Physical best...once one slips, you are on the slide. It's why I didn't care he retired. He didn't have the "fight" in him any longer. No sense in going on. He wasn't going to get any better at 30+ and he showed he changed as a fighter...so retire. Floyd could have won both those fights easier but he chose not to. He does more things wrong now than ever before. Like I said many times before, he is a now a mix of 36+ year old Bernard Hopkins and 32+ LH, Roy Jones Jr. Hopkins, in that he is more cautious and conservative, allowing half the fight to go by until he picks up the pace...and Roy, because he stops using the jab in favor of pot-shots (instead of combos) and using the lead right. I also said Floyd Jr. legacy at 147 isn't much to talk about...while saying his legacy is below 147. I also said he wouldn't beat SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns, etc. at 147. Excellent post, sir.

You do realize that basically freddy roach said a prime Oscar would beat prime floyd mayweather jr right? Since Floyd won a close decision win over Oscar who could not put the gass on it anymore so says Freddie Roach. And aren't you a huge Floyd Mayweather fan, I bet you won't admit that is what Freddie Roach just said. :usa: I'm not a big Floyd fan; just a boxing fan. I prefer to watch Manny Pac fight actually and like Manny's attitude over Floyd's. The problem I had with Floyd, especially in the Oscar fight, as well as the Hatton fight, is that he NOW only does enough to win...where before he went out from the first round to win. He has become a more cautious fighter now. The article right before the Hatton fight concerned me when he said he basically said he fights differently now because he has kids and such. He Mentally changed...which is why I said he was now a declined fighter as far as I'm concerned...which I had posters say I was making excuses. But the facts are, Prime to me, is when you are at your Mental and Physical best...once one slips, you are on the slide. It's why I didn't care he retired. He didn't have the "fight" in him any longer. No sense in going on. He wasn't going to get any better at 30+ and he showed he changed as a fighter...so retire. Floyd could have won both those fights easier but he chose not to. He does more things wrong now than ever before. Like I said many times before, he is a now a mix of 36+ year old Bernard Hopkins and 32+ LH, Roy Jones Jr. Hopkins, in that he is more cautious and conservative, allowing half the fight to go by until he picks up the pace...and Roy, because he stops using the jab in favor of pot-shots (instead of combos) and using the lead right. I also said Floyd Jr. legacy at 147 isn't much to talk about...while saying his legacy is below 147. I also said he wouldn't beat SRR, SRL, Tommy Hearns, etc. at 147.

Prime vs. Prime you think Manny wins...really? That would be the Oscar that fought EPO-Shane at 147. I don't even think Freddie thinks that. He took the fight because he knew where Oscar was at right now...he said that was the reason he took the fight. You do realize that basically freddy roach said a prime Oscar would beat prime floyd mayweather jr right? Since Floyd won a close decision win over Oscar who could not put the gass on it anymore so says Freddie Roach. And aren't you a huge Floyd Mayweather fan, I bet you won't admit that is what Freddie Roach just said. :usa:

No, that is not what you said genius. You said if Oscar had fought Pacquiao back in 2001, which means Pacquiao 2001... When he was a baby at boxing still and not as talented as he was today. Of course Oscar would beat 2001 version of Manny!!! And what I'm saying is that prime vs prime, Manny would win since Manny seems like he loves fighters like Oscar/David Diaz style where they come forward and try to land there punches while Manny moves left and right dodging there punches and countering. Prime vs. Prime you think Manny wins...really? That would be the Oscar that fought EPO-Shane at 147. I don't even think Freddie thinks that. He took the fight because he knew where Oscar was at right now...he said that was the reason he took the fight.

Even though I think you're a moron, I'm going to respond to this idiotic statement. No one said that Manny beat a prime Oscar De La Hoya. And anyone who thinks that we've even seen a prime Oscar De la Hoya in the last couple of years is no better than you. If he was so shot gone dead, then why didn't we hear any detractors of the fight coming from Oscar's side ? No one complained about him being shot before seeing the fight result. Manny thoroughly dominated a far past prime Oscar De La Hoya, and did it with his most viable asset and the attribute that has most clearly depleted in Oscar over the years: his speed. Oscar's side would never say it; they would lose money. I doubt they also saw the weight-loss coming into effect since if they did, they wouldn't have made the fight at 147. But that is why you have Freddie, who was with Oscar and said Oscar was past it. The Weight, in my opinion, pushed him over the limit. At 154, I wouldn't call him shot; just, past his prime. But I liked what I saw from Manny; INCREDIBLE. The Man is exciting and I'm glad he is able to continue to improve somehow despite moving up in weight. He's going to keep boxing alive.

I think he was more drained than shot.

Even though I think you're a moron, I'm going to respond to this idiotic statement. No one said that Manny beat a prime Oscar De La Hoya. And anyone who thinks that we've even seen a prime Oscar De la Hoya in the last couple of years is no better than you. If he was so shot gone dead, then why didn't we hear any detractors of the fight coming from Oscar's side ? No one complained about him being shot before seeing the fight result. Manny thoroughly dominated a far past prime Oscar De La Hoya, and did it with his most viable asset and the attribute that has most clearly depleted in Oscar over the years: his speed. Even though I think you're a moron, I'm going to respond to you're idiotic statement. The only moron here is you for geting all butt hurt you have to be a grade A moron to not see the guy was done gone shot zero in the tank during the fight you idiot. How could anybody have have know the guy was that far gone . if you think he was not then you are no better then the Pac nuthuggers who are saying Pac beat a prime Oscar

When you're a part time fighter this is going to happen. Oscar never really stays in shape between fights. He was huge after the hopkins fight. Oscar has lacked Match fitness for years, fighting once a year doesn't keep you sharp. He couldn't even be bothered making 147 for Forbes, so they had to change the weight to 150. Serves him right for not taking that fight as a test of his performance back at 147.

oscar should retire, but i do believe he was weight drained

Oscar looked like he never been in the ring in his life, thats how bad he looked. that's true.....

Oscar is not shot, he is still a very good fighter. The difference is that Pacquiao is the VERY BEST IN THE WORLD.

That's what I was asking, dummy. Prime for Prime. I highly doubt that, HIGHLY. No, that is not what you said genius. You said if Oscar had fought Pacquiao back in 2001, which means Pacquiao 2001... When he was a baby at boxing still and not as talented as he was today. Of course Oscar would beat 2001 version of Manny!!! And what I'm saying is that prime vs prime, Manny would win since Manny seems like he loves fighters like Oscar/David Diaz style where they come forward and try to land there punches while Manny moves left and right dodging there punches and countering.

I would not say Oscar is shot, his reflexes have declined dramatically though and that is one of the reasons he is getting hit more. Shane Mosley was getting tagged more than ever against Miguel Cotto because his reflexes are not what they were.

Well, that is a shit question. Prime vs Prime, Manny would beat Oscar always. Manny is a bad style for Oscar. Fast southpaw with great footwork. Pacquiao was still a baby back in 2001!!! Awful biased question, prime vs prime. Manny wins still! That's what I was asking, dummy. Prime for Prime. I highly doubt that, HIGHLY.

Has it accured to you that maybe it was a little bit of both? How do you suppose a fight with a 2001 De La Hoya plays out with Pacquiao? And you forget that truth isn't measured in mass appeal. Well, that is a shit question. Prime vs Prime, Manny would beat Oscar always. Manny is a bad style for Oscar. Fast southpaw with great footwork. Pacquiao was still a baby back in 2001!!! Awful biased question, prime vs prime. Manny wins still!

I agree anybody who grew up seeing Oscar fighting knew he was missing somthing only the Pac nuthugger think Pac beat a prime Oscar. Oscar was shot gone dead Even though I think you're a moron, I'm going to respond to this idiotic statement. No one said that Manny beat a prime Oscar De La Hoya. And anyone who thinks that we've even seen a prime Oscar De la Hoya in the last couple of years is no better than you. If he was so shot gone dead, then why didn't we hear any detractors of the fight coming from Oscar's side ? No one complained about him being shot before seeing the fight result. Manny thoroughly dominated a far past prime Oscar De La Hoya, and did it with his most viable asset and the attribute that has most clearly depleted in Oscar over the years: his speed.

Has it occured to you that maybe, just maybe, it was Pacquiao's phenomenal performance, and not Oscar's shortcomings that contributed most to him getting thoroughly dominated ? Also, how do you go from being a favored fighter, by even boxing handicappers, to being a shot fighter. Would they have given a 'shot' fighter 2-1 odds, even with all of the money pouring in for Pacquiao ? I think not. He was just absolutely dominated by a better fighter on that night. Has it accured to you that maybe it was a little bit of both? How do you suppose a fight with a 2001 De La Hoya plays out with Pacquiao? And you forget that truth isn't measured in mass appeal.

I don't know why every time pacman beats a great fighter, majority of people will call that fighter shot. I think they just couldn't get the idea of a fighter being overwhelmingly dominated or they simply cannot appreciate fully Pacs ability. Why didn't they call Oscar shot when he fought Mayweather last year and Forbes a few months back? If Oscar fought Marquez or Diaz or Hatton instead of Pac that time I don't think the outcome would be the same and for sure nobody will call him shot. Simply put The Pacman is just phenomenal. :boxing:

Oscar is only shot when a great fighter like Manny Pacquiao shows Oscar for what he truly is... Not a great fighter, only a good fighter. Huge difference, Pacquiao will be an atg, and Oscar will only be hall a famer... HAHAHA How does Oscar expect to be an ATG, when he lost like all his big fights.

Anyone who watched the fight and didn't think DLH was shot knows nothing about boxing. DLH was as shot as I've ever seen an elite fighter be. Whether it was age, weight loss or a combo we may never know. DLH would've lost to any decent fighter that night though. I give Pac credit for taking the fight. He couldn't know for sure that Oscar would be so far declined. I agree anybody who grew up seeing Oscar fighting knew he was missing somthing only the Pac nuthugger think Pac beat a prime Oscar. Oscar was shot gone dead