LOL @ anyone thinking JoeC is p4p number 1

Obviously we'll never be able to compare Joe and Manny in the ring (I HOPE lol). But Manny is streets ahead of Marquez? Really????/ I was talking in terms of their p4p status. Marquez's recent accomplishments do not even come close to Pac's IMO.

bottomline pac whupped dlh and calz got put on his ass and let rjj go the distance... pac >>>>>> calz word. :boxing:

bottomline pac whupped dlh and calz got put on his ass and let rjj go the distance... pac >>>>>> calz

He can't beat B-Hop, and vs Kessler it's a pickem fight. Besides, saying he COULD do it, and actually doing it, are two different things. what calzaghes whole career is based on? he could have done this and that but what he actually did is rubbish.

Dawson could beat everyone Joe has beat.He can't beat B-Hop, and vs Kessler it's a pickem fight. Besides, saying he COULD do it, and actually doing it, are two different things.

I agree with this. Pacqiauo is streets ahead of the rest right now. Obviously we'll never be able to compare Joe and Manny in the ring (I HOPE lol). But Manny is streets ahead of Marquez? Really????/

Anyone who thinks Joe's win over Roy holds more significance than Manny's win last night is a moron, seriously. Truth is Manny has four wins that are better than any of Joe's. but he was shot too ffs he didnt do **** all are you trting to say dlh wasnt shot.

seriously you would have to be delusional to think Joe is a better fighter than Pacquiao. I agree with this. Pacqiauo is streets ahead of the rest right now.

Like??? Based on just beating someone like B-Hop Joe deserves to be in the top 3. Look at what B-Hop did to the MW king. Dawson could beat everyone Joe has beat.

So P4P is based on one fight? Personally I dont see how anyone could've really said Pacquiao beat Marquez the 2nd time.......so its never sat well with me to place Manny over him. Joe also beat Hopkins and Kessler. For me thats better than David Diaz and Barrera 2. At the end of the day its all opinions. People who thought the world was flat were once thought to be the brightest minds in the world. We're all wrong sometimes and for someone to turn around and say their opinion is infallible and anyone who disagrees with them is a moron is ridiculous. seriously you would have to be delusional to think Joe is a better fighter than Pacquiao.

Joe has done nothing, I have a hard time even putting him at 3 he's such a fraud. Why isn't Tarver p4p 3? he knocked out a shot Jones to. There are lots of fighters that could do what Joe has done, nobody currently can do what Pacquiao is doing. On top of that, Pacquiao is 29..lol Joe is ending his Career.Like??? Based on just beating someone like B-Hop Joe deserves to be in the top 3. Look at what B-Hop did to the MW king.

I just can't see how it is logical for the win over Roy to be seen as more significant than Manny's win last night. People who think the Earth is flat are morons, I don't see how this is any different. So P4P is based on one fight? Personally I dont see how anyone could've really said Pacquiao beat Marquez the 2nd time.......so its never sat well with me to place Manny over him. Joe also beat Hopkins and Kessler. For me thats better than David Diaz and Barrera 2. At the end of the day its all opinions. People who thought the world was flat were once thought to be the brightest minds in the world. We're all wrong sometimes and for someone to turn around and say their opinion is infallible and anyone who disagrees with them is a moron is ridiculous.

So Joe dominates and embarrasses Roy yet gets no credit cos Roys a washed up shot fighter. Yet Manny does the same to Oscar and suddenly hes undisputed P4P no1 and anyone who disagrees is stupid. Ok then Oscar wasn't shot, he was past his best, but not shot. Oscar was coming off a win and a SD loss to Mayweather. Jones has been knocked out by average fighters. Oscar is way bigger than Pacquiao, the size difference was huge... Calzaghe almost looked bigger than Jones. Oscar is 35, Roy is nearing 40. Difference. EVERYONE KNEW ROY WAS SHOT, EVERYONE THOUGHT OSCAR WAS GOING TO KILL PACQUIAO. DIFFERENCE. Joe couldn't knock Roy out, Pacquiao pulverized Oscar and got a TKO. What does Pacquiao do when he beats Oscar? he says "you are still my Idol" What does Joe do when he beats Jones " i'm a legend killer" or says things about him being great to hype up his win.

How the fuk can anyone hate Pac? Obviously I am a massive Oscar fan, but I could not help but be happy for Manny yesterday, I am also a big fan of his and he is just so exciting and dedicated to the sport. Bottom line, he is out there fighting big names in several divisions and beating them while Joe has beaten a couple of old guys this year. Anyone who still thinks Joe is above Manny p4p knows nothing about boxing. End of. Joe has done nothing, I have a hard time even putting him at 3 he's such a fraud. Why isn't Tarver p4p 3? he knocked out a shot Jones to. There are lots of fighters that could do what Joe has done, nobody currently can do what Pacquiao is doing. On top of that, Pacquiao is 29..lol Joe is ending his Career.

I dont have a problem with anyone ranking either man over each other. What pisses me off is the arrogance of some people who beleive that anyone who disagrees with them is a "moron". Werent the people who even picked Manny to win called "morons" 24 hours ago? I just can't see how it is logical for the win over Roy to be seen as more significant than Manny's win last night. People who think the Earth is flat are morons, I don't see how this is any different.

Anyone who thinks Joe's win over Roy holds more significance than Manny's win last night is a moron, seriously. Truth is Manny has four wins that are better than any of Joe's. I dont have a problem with anyone ranking either man over each other. What pisses me off is the arrogance of some people who beleive that anyone who disagrees with them is a "moron". Werent the people who even picked Manny to win called "morons" 24 hours ago?

pac beats pbf. speed, power, heart, tenacity, improved boxing skills plus support of 90 million pinoys...pac is on top of the mountain right now...but i like your sig...those were awesome combos! Its funny how shit works. A few months ago I would have laughed at this comment. Now I think I agree with it.

pac beats pbf. speed, power, heart, tenacity, improved boxing skills plus support of 90 million pinoys...pac is on top of the mountain right now...but i like your sig...those were awesome combos! don't be crazy....be smart man! Floyd beats Pac all day......the ONLY 2 dudes with more than a chance to beat Floyd are Marg and PW....thats it!!

i didnt recall jones having a 5inch reach and 4inch height advantage...nor do i remember manny getting dropped by his 'shot' opponent.... making a legend go 'no mas' > going 12 over a punchless roy So Oscar is a legend and not shot. But Roy is shot, washed up, punchless etc. I prefer to give bothy guys credit and stay consistent rather than promote horrible double standards but thats just me.

Tell you the truth, I thought Marquez beat Pacquiao both times. I'm not hating on dude and I don't like Calzaghe. I'm just saying, in his last five fights he's beaten Lacy, Bika, Kessler, Hopkins and Jones and he's done it without a whole lot of controversy. If someone wanted to rank him higher than 3 it's really not that big of a deal. And yeah Gillie was a ghostwriter for all of Cash Money. jmm is overrated. his biggest achievement was beating up an old casa and a draw against pacman. he might have given pac 2 good fights but still came out short in both. he's an excellent tactician but he doesn't deserve to be the #2 or #3 p4p ranking. joe-cal is def #2 and b-hop is at #3.