November 22, 1986: Mike Tyson vs. Berbick...Youngest HW Champion

No, IF you use Tucker you go by the night of Tyson-Tucker in 87. I go by Tyson-Spinks. I don't buy that vacating/being stripped by the BF vacated the lineal title. I'm a beat the man to be him purist where applicable. :) If sanctioning bodies mean nothing their titles mean nothing and so does a Magazine title. So then we have to ask: Who was the Champion; who was the best? Spinks would have never gotten in with Tyson until he had no choice. It took a while for that fight to finally be made. Tyson wasn't waiting on anybody...he went for the titles; not the money. In Public view, the majority crowned the new king. In Magazine view and a couple of loyalists, chose Spinks.

So you are going by when Spinks vacated the title? No, IF you use Tucker you go by the night of Tyson-Tucker in 87. I go by Tyson-Spinks. I don't buy that vacating/being stripped by the BF vacated the lineal title. I'm a beat the man to be him purist where applicable. :)

But he didn't vacate for Tyson...he vacated because he had a mando with Tucker and Lewis didn't want to lose Tyson (and wanted the Cooney money). Difference. And F sanctioning bodies anyways. :) Like I said, Tyson was either THE champ after Spinks OR Tucker...neither making him youngest. So you are going by when Spinks vacated the title? If sanctioning bodies mean nothing their titles mean nothing and so does a Magazine title. So then we have to ask: Who was the Champion; who was the best?

= we are scared of Tyson and will keep waiting until we have to fight him. The positive to all of this would be there would be more Money. Not wanting to fight until you have no choice is still avoiding. I've always thought the "CHAMP" is supposed to want to fight the best...but I guess the Champ/King waits until his country is invaded by the Tyson army, who surrounds the Spinks castle giving the King no choice but to come out. Spinks lost the belts by vacating them; he was no longer Champion on the terms of being a pussy. There is no such thing as an imaginary title. Spinks abdicated the throne. But he didn't vacate for Tyson...he vacated because he had a mando with Tucker and Lewis didn't want to lose Tyson (and wanted the Cooney money). Difference. And F sanctioning bodies anyways. :) Like I said, Tyson was either THE champ after Spinks OR Tucker...neither making him youngest.

I've read quotes from Lewis where he basically says that it was a no-win so why not make it for most-money. It was smart business all the way. If they stay in the tourney, they get peanuts on HBO. Instead they get quadruple on PPV. It wasn't backed into a corner...it was picking when to come out of it. = we are scared of Tyson and will keep waiting until we have to fight him. The positive to all of this would be there would be more Money. Not wanting to fight until you have no choice is still avoiding. I've always thought the "CHAMP" is supposed to want to fight the best...but I guess the Champ/King waits until his country is invaded by the Tyson army, who surrounds the Spinks castle giving the King no choice but to come out. Spinks lost the belts by vacating them; he was no longer Champion on the terms of being a pussy. There is no such thing as an imaginary title. Spinks abdicated the throne.

I was joking by the way, crold1 All in good fun. I got to post an gif thingie.

Shut the f-ck up! I'm sure some wanted to say that. That's cute...don't dispute the facts. Just be a jackoff. Good job. :You_Rock_

I was joking by the way, crold1

The point was Cayton couldn't get Butch to make a fight until he was backed into a corner. I don't even think Butch would disagree with this. Marciano retired and the belt was vacated. Opportunity for Patterson. I've read quotes from Lewis where he basically says that it was a no-win so why not make it for most-money. It was smart business all the way. If they stay in the tourney, they get peanuts on HBO. Instead they get quadruple on PPV. It wasn't backed into a corner...it was picking when to come out of it.

Youngest TITLIST. He didn't truly become champ until he beat Spinks or at least Tucker if one doesn't respect the lineage claim. Patterson is still the youngest to capture the undisputed (if then vacant) title outright. Shut the f-ck up! I'm sure some wanted to say that.

Hell no he wouldn't have, but that's like saying that since Baer had a lousy night against Braddock, that Louis was really Heavyweight champ after running through him. Tyson had been a pro just shy of two years when he faced Berbick...it wasn't like he'd been ducked years. He got the the real champ by his fourth year and eviscerated him. Being better than the champ before beating him is not the same as beating him or else we'd all recognize Sonny Liston as champ about two years before he got there. The point was Cayton couldn't get Butch to make a fight until he was backed into a corner. I don't even think Butch would disagree with this. Marciano retired and the belt was vacated. Opportunity for Patterson.

Butch Lewis avoided Tyson; he kept him far away. Spinks in an interview said Tyson was the worst mistake he made. You could see it in Michael Spinks eyes during the stare-down that he didn't want to be there. Butch even went into Tyson's dressing room to try to see if he could do anything to disrupt Tyson because he saw Spinks was a nervous reck. This is talked about by sources...including Butch Lewis. Spinks would not have beaten the Tyson that fought Berbick either. Spinks is the only black man I've ever seen pale. He was completely grey as he walked to the ring and looked like he was about to face the firing squad during the introductions.

Butch Lewis avoided Tyson; he kept him far away. Spinks in an interview said Tyson was the worst mistake he made. You could see it in Michael Spinks eyes during the stare-down that he didn't want to be there. Butch even went into Tyson's dressing room to try to see if he could do anything to disrupt Tyson because he saw Spinks was a nervous reck. This is talked about by sources...including Butch Lewis. Spinks would not have beaten the Tyson that fought Berbick either. Hell no he wouldn't have, but that's like saying that since Baer had a lousy night against Braddock, that Louis was really Heavyweight champ after running through him. Tyson had been a pro just shy of two years when he faced Berbick...it wasn't like he'd been ducked years. He got the the real champ by his fourth year and eviscerated him. Being better than the champ before beating him is not the same as beating him or else we'd all recognize Sonny Liston as champ about two years before he got there.

No one avoided him, including Spinks. He got into the tournament and Berbick had to fight him and so did everyone else. Tyson was THE money at heavyweight within a year of turning pro. Spinks was held out by Butch Lewis because they saw the pay day at the end of the rainbow and were right; he wound up making over 12 Mil. As to Patterson only having to take 1 title, there was really only one title that mattered in the early-mid 80s anyways...whichever one Larry Holmes held. Spinks won that. It was a historical mark akin to most of the 80s...style without substance. Butch Lewis avoided Tyson; he kept him far away. Spinks in an interview said Tyson was the worst mistake he made. You could see it in Michael Spinks eyes during the stare-down that he didn't want to be there. Butch even went into Tyson's dressing room to try to see if he could do anything to disrupt Tyson because he saw Spinks was a nervous reck. This is talked about by sources...including Butch Lewis. Spinks would not have beaten the Tyson that fought Berbick either.

I'm a fan because Tyson existed. Me too dude, guy brought in so many new fans its unreal

I'm a fan because Tyson existed. same. the very first boxing match I watched live was Tyson vs Mathis. I became an instant boxing fanatic. don't know if I would've ever gotten into boxing had it not been for Tyson.

God i miss that guy! Truely there will never be another

"I threw every punch with bad intentions to a vital area". lol, tyson is classic.