Boxing requires a higher skill level than MMA.

Jiu-jitsu was the mother. Judo's just a sibling. Since I was into Judo at a very young age, I was naturally more comfortable on my back and transitioning. It's more harder for a kid who was trained in wrestling at a very young age because it's constantly taught that there's no solice there. In fact the rules punish those who are on their back (3 pt. near fall and then pin). So out of habit and neccesity, wrestlers are going to be uncomfortable on their back. I'm not saying they can't be trained to fight off their back. I'm just saying it's not as easy as you say it is. Bjj derived from judo.......Judo is the mother, now bjj takes judo to other dimentions, yes.....but Judo is the mother. I know what your trying to say. We both mean the same shit I'm sure..

Umm, that's where the boxer's footwork comes into play. The boxer will either take a step back, or pivot to the side. Now, my question is, how does a grappler defend when he badly misses a the boxer's leg(s)??? Answer: The grappler will be in no man's land and he better have a good dentist afterwards. I started this thread because I have expierience in both sports. Like I said boxing is my #1 skill. I have over 20 years experience in that.Only about 5 in mma. When I got involved with MMA I can tell you with my basic knowledge of knowing how to sprawl(basic high school wreslting) and my advanced skills with the hands, it was very difficult for even a experienced grappler to take me down. When shooting for a take down you are very much in danger of punches with a guy having good hand skills. Now if they got me down I was a fish out of water for a few months.

It seems that notion has been shaken pretty easy by all. It took me no longer than a week. When you find yourself tapping due to a choke, you learn to be on your back quickly. Being that you have expierience in both Judo and wrestling, I know for a fact you would agree it's a huge advantage in the learning curve of Bjj. Judo is the mother of Bjj anyways... Jiu-jitsu was the mother. Judo's just a sibling. Since I was into Judo at a very young age, I was naturally more comfortable on my back and transitioning. It's more harder for a kid who was trained in wrestling at a very young age because it's constantly taught that there's no solice there. In fact the rules punish those who are on their back (3 pt. near fall and then pin). So out of habit and neccesity, wrestlers are going to be uncomfortable on their back. I'm not saying they can't be trained to fight off their back. I'm just saying it's not as easy as you say it is.

But transitioning from wrestling to BJJ isn't easy. You still got to shake the notion of bottom = bad. And I was a wrestler and a judoka. It seems that notion has been shaken pretty easy by all. It took me no longer than a week. When you find yourself tapping due to a choke, you learn to be on your back quickly. Being that you have expierience in both Judo and wrestling, I know for a fact you would agree it's a huge advantage in the learning curve of Bjj. Judo is the mother of Bjj anyways...

He literally advised people to turn their upper bodies as they throw the punch- along with your head. So you aren't looking at your opponent. Oddly enough, he got knocked out against Jackson for that same bullshit. So far your replies are making sence. Continue.....Let's face it. What Ice-Man was teaching was a vulnerable tech. Bad way to teach someone a strike. POINT BLANK!

Bas Rutten predates him. He was a Muy Thai guy learning catch on the fly. This is true, but I would argue that the period in which Bas fought was vastly different to the world of MMA Crocop became a force in. Old Pancrase rules differed a lot to modern MMA. Bas never really picked up great takedown defense, but I think he could get away with it in Pancrase due to rope breaks and the tendency everyone had to just go for leglocks with eachother. I think had Bas been fighting today, he wouldn't have had anywhere near his level of success. Crocop on the other hand, fought in truely modern MMA and became a nigh unstoppable juggernaut. Anyway, I still think my point stands. Defensive grappling is not something anyone can just come in and pick up.

lol Yea I think the ones talking shit about MMA are just as bad as the MMA guys talking shit about boxing. You know. I'm not hating or anything, but I haven't seen any of the hate from the hardcores. Only newbs. Course I don't hang out at Sherdog or anything.

If you compared boxing to MMA, A LOT of pro's in PRO MMA have a skill level (in their own sport) similar to novices in amateur boxing. I'm not talking about the champs (I'll get on Lesnar in a few), but the guys on PPV cards and UFC fight night. Guys that have wrestled in high school make their debuts with no mma fights whatsoever on TUF, etc.. Something like a Brock Lesnar winning a world title in his 3rd fight ever would NEVER EVER happen in boxing. Even if he fought 300 amateur fights, he would need 20-30 pro fights to even be ready for a fight with the elite.

False?..lol Look at many of the top MMA Champions! MANY, MANY, MANY champions in MMA come from the sport of Greco-Roman, freestyle wrestling backrounds. Ya, even including the two that were fighting for the belt last night. DUHH! Why do you think Brock is a champion so quick? It's called leverage brotha'. Wresting is second to none in that category. Learning to be on your back is easy to get use to. Do you have any combat sport expierience? How would you know? But transitioning from wrestling to BJJ isn't easy. You still got to shake the notion of bottom = bad. And I was a wrestler and a judoka.

6) A lot of people don't take into account how difficult it is to cross over from a striking background late in your career and pick up things like takedown and submission defense. Only one fighter has done that and been successful, and that was Crocop, who only started training for MMA at age 27. Some fighters like Anderson and Wanderlei Silva started striking at a young age, but incorporated grappling soon after. Bas Rutten predates him. He was a Muy Thai guy learning catch on the fly.

This is a perfect example. I'd love to see him ATTEMPT this shit with a boxer:

This is false. Natural wrestlers are conditioned to not like being on their backs. False?..lol Look at many of the top MMA Champions! MANY, MANY, MANY champions in MMA come from the sport of Greco-Roman, freestyle wrestling backrounds. Ya, even including the two that were fighting for the belt last night. DUHH! Why do you think Brock is a champion so quick? It's called leverage brotha'. Wresting is second to none in that category. Learning to be on your back is easy to get use to. Do you have any combat sport expierience? How would you know?

Thats not what he demonstrated. He indicated that you would do it while "bouncing around". As in, you are in your striking stance and not trying to shoot. Your using a kempo fighter who second hand learned a move that was taught to wrestlers by a kickboxer as an example. I'm just telling you what the move is. I'm not defending Lidell use of the move.

I'm sure a good boxer can uppercut the asshole on the way in I've never seen someone get knocked out with an uppercut as they shoot in for a takedown. Typically, the only times fighters get knocked out as they shoot in are with knee strikes. Some other things to keep in perspective. 1) It's harder to be a successful pro boxer because there are probably millions more boxers in the world than there are MMA fighters. 2) MMA is still on it's first generation of fighters, so ofcourse the level is not going to be as high as it can be. There are literally fighters still active who were fighting at the birth of the sport. Were the first generation of boxers the pinacle of the sport? 3) Most pro boxers have been training since they were children. Only within the past few years have there been young kids start training specifically for MMA, and they haven't even really started their careers yet. 4) There are clearly fighters in MMA that are genuinely highly skilled athletes, but they are few and far between. Guys like GSP, Silva and Fedor show what MMA can become, but really, there are only one or two fighters like this in each weight division. In the future as this next generation of MMA fighter emerges, we are going to see divisions full of GSP's and Anderson Silvas fighting eachother. 5) People are mainly holding the striking of MMA fighters against them, ignoring the fact that their wrestling and grappling is clearly at a high level. Of all the component parts in MMA, striking has the furthest to go, and it is still very much a work in progress. Fighters are still figuring out what works best and how to adapt traditional striking stance to defend against takedowns. 6) A lot of people don't take into account how difficult it is to cross over from a striking background late in your career and pick up things like takedown and submission defense. Only one fighter has done that and been successful, and that was Crocop, who only started training for MMA at age 27. Some fighters like Anderson and Wanderlei Silva started striking at a young age, but incorporated grappling soon after.

How are you going drop a guy shooting in at knee hight with your arms in the air? You DO know that boxers are capable of MOVING their arms, right? Its not some permanent mummified stance.

This MMA vs Boxing bullshit isn't going to ever end is it??? Not until someone major starts training in grappling.

Drop the guy and rub my cock on his ass. I see MMA guys do it all the time. How are you going drop a guy shooting in at knee hight with your arms in the air?

Which is why it's thrown while looking like you're going for a shoot. Whatever he "looks" like he's doing his telegraphing that looping ass shoots, leaving himself open to a counter punch.

Which is why it's thrown while looking like you're going for a shoot. Thats not what he demonstrated. He indicated that you would do it while "bouncing around". As in, you are in your striking stance and not trying to shoot.

How do you defend your legs from being taken from under you if your hands are up and above your head? Drop the guy and rub my cock on his ass. I see MMA guys do it all the time.