"12 Rounds With Max Kellerman" See Max's Prediction of Calzaghe vs Jones

I guess with all the things happening in America now - i.e. Barack's beautiful victory in becoming our President Elect in an immensely satisfying and historic campaign battle - I figure that the next step in logic is to assume that Roy Jones Jr. will give the American People a great upset over "Super" Joe Calzaghe. This thought is furthered as I watch the footage available on HBO.com and Fighthype.com of Roy and Joe each refining their skills for saturday night. Though Joe looks really good, to borrow a phrase that dwyer @ gamblersadvisory.com said, Roy looks like he is going through some sort of a renaissance. Roy looks amazing, as if he really has turned back the clock. However, Max Kellerman seems to think differently. Below is a link to an article I found at HBO.com entitled "12 Rounds with Max Kellerman". Here is a brief breakdown of his analysis of the upcoming fight: Size - Calzaghe Strength - Calzaghe Speed - Calzaghe Jab - Calzaghe Defense - Calzaghe Experience - Jones Ability to take a Punch - Calzaghe Fighting Inside - Calzaghe Counterpunching - Jones Conditioning - Calzaghe Ring Generalship - Calzaghe Heart - Calzaghe Overall - Calzaghe 118-110 over jones http://www.hbo.com/boxing/events/2008/1108_calzaghe_jones/columns/12_rounds.html I must say that even though I am a fan of Kellerman - and he even says in the article that he believes that in Roy's prime, the answer to all of those different style questions would have unquestionably gone for Roy - I must disagree with him. He left out the X factor. In any fight, though one person may posses many advantages over another fighter, if that underdog brings something to the table that cannot be matched like a brother dying in Margarito's case quite some time ago, or Buster's mother dying before the Tyson fight, you have to figure that in. In this case, I believe that X factor for Roy is his NEED to disply his greatness once again against all of the odds. I don't know if Roy will win or not. The overall odds and attributes have to go to Calzaghe. But **** it, I say Roy over Calzaghe in a mid to wide decision.

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Dude, you gotta remember that this is a very much past prime Roy, regardless of whether he "lets his abilities go" as you say. Obviously a prime Roy letting it hang out doesn't lose a round but this is definately no prime Roy. I dunno, the only reason I give Roy a decent chance in this fight is because Joe doesn't have the power to hurt him and I see Roy potentially having a great deal of success with catching Joe with straight rights on the way in. The volume factor is huge though, and I find it tough to get over it. I think we gotta hope Roy lands some significant straight rights early and slows Calzaghe down a great deal. If not its going to be a long night for RJ. For sure. I think by the third/fourth round we should know where we stand as far as Roy fans go. :unitedsta

17y ago

Dan

I agree on not dressing it up. I just don't see where JC has ever been in there with a pissed off RJJ letting his abilities go. That is where the question mark lies for me. His straight right counter is just part of what he'll need to win. I guess I'll just have to wait and see, but I can't see JC winning the "all out fighting" war. I could and may be wrong, but man am I hoping to see THAT fight on Saturday. Dude, you gotta remember that this is a very much past prime Roy, regardless of whether he "lets his abilities go" as you say. Obviously a prime Roy letting it hang out doesn't lose a round but this is definately no prime Roy. I dunno, the only reason I give Roy a decent chance in this fight is because Joe doesn't have the power to hurt him and I see Roy potentially having a great deal of success with catching Joe with straight rights on the way in. The volume factor is huge though, and I find it tough to get over it. I think we gotta hope Roy lands some significant straight rights early and slows Calzaghe down a great deal. If not its going to be a long night for RJ.

17y ago

S_A_M_U_R_A_I

He "gets the edge" because he is one tough bastard to fight. He has a rock soild chin, quick hands and feet, is incredibly adaptable and can throw 100 punches a round for the full 12. Combined with the fact that he is very smart in there. Just because Roy might find a home for his straight right on occasion won't necessarily stop Calzaghe's constant attack. I am pulling for ROy as much as anybody, but I think dressing this fight up like Roy is the favourite to win it is a bit ridiculous. Respect to you man. It's refreshing to see a Jones fan who isn't so biased, but sees things for what they are. It's hard for me as a fan of both fighters, and "on paper" this looks like it should be a Calzaghe UD, but only a fool would think Jones hasn't got a huge chance here. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

17y ago

roundingace

He "gets the edge" because he is one tough bastard to fight. He has a rock soild chin, quick hands and feet, is incredibly adaptable and can throw 100 punches a round for the full 12. Combined with the fact that he is very smart in there. Just because Roy might find a home for his straight right on occasion won't necessarily stop Calzaghe's constant attack. I am pulling for ROy as much as anybody, but I think dressing this fight up like Roy is the favourite to win it is a bit ridiculous. I agree on not dressing it up. I just don't see where JC has ever been in there with a pissed off RJJ letting his abilities go. That is where the question mark lies for me. His straight right counter is just part of what he'll need to win. I guess I'll just have to wait and see, but I can't see JC winning the "all out fighting" war. I could and may be wrong, but man am I hoping to see THAT fight on Saturday.

17y ago

KJB

Kellerman is a very well educated man when it comes to the Sweet Science, but I often find myself disagreeing with him. In this case I wont say hes wrong about everything, but I believe there will be some intangibles in this fight that will affect the outcome.

17y ago

Dan

If this proves to be true, then I don't really see where JC has the edge. He "gets the edge" because he is one tough bastard to fight. He has a rock soild chin, quick hands and feet, is incredibly adaptable and can throw 100 punches a round for the full 12. Combined with the fact that he is very smart in there. Just because Roy might find a home for his straight right on occasion won't necessarily stop Calzaghe's constant attack. I am pulling for ROy as much as anybody, but I think dressing this fight up like Roy is the favourite to win it is a bit ridiculous.

17y ago

roundingace

- I don't think "letting go" will be a problem for Roy in this one. Calzaghe lacks significant power and that is generally what has constrained Roy in the past, so that shouldn't be a problem. If this proves to be true, then I don't really see where JC has the edge.

17y ago

Dan

Size - Calzaghe. Even Roy says Joe is a big dude and weighs more. Joe is close to 200 pounds between fights but he's always in shape. Strength - Probably Calzaghe Speed - Jones Jab - Calzaghe Defense - Calzaghe Experience - Tie, considering Calzaghe's excellent amateur achievements Ability to take a Punch - Calzaghe Fighting Inside - Calzaghe Counterpunching - Jones Conditioning - Calzaghe Ring Generalship - Calzaghe Heart - Calzaghe That's how I see it. Kellerman is wrong about the speed, but several important attributes of Joe's were not even mentioned -- work rate, the pace he sets, and stamina. This statement is horribly wrong. EDIT: DIsregard this post. I misread what you posted. Deepest apologies.

17y ago

Dan

Well the punch output, obviously, is going to Calzaghe hands down. The answer to my question will be Jones' legs and his accuracy. RJJ has always been an effective puncher while not having to expend too much energy through all 12 rounds. So if Roy and his counter rights are there, I think it's going to be very difficult/impossible for JC to alter his plan thus winning the fight. The other factor is will Roy let himself go. If he tells himself to just go for broke and leave everything in that ring, I honestly, and not just because I'm a fan, don't see how JC stands a chance. Now all that being said, yes, it's a reach, but not out of the question. One things for sure, we will definitley find out. A few things: - Forget Roy's legs, they are gone. They went in Tarver I and never came back. - Do not underestimate Calzaghe's ability to adapt to situations and opponents fight plans - he was looking bad early against both Hopkins and Kessler and managed to devise ways to negate what was hurting him. - I don't think "letting go" will be a problem for Roy in this one. Calzaghe lacks significant power and that is generally what has constrained Roy in the past, so that shouldn't be a problem.

17y ago

S_A_M_U_R_A_I

Size - Calzaghe. Even Roy says Joe is a big dude and weighs more. Joe is close to 200 pounds between fights but he's always in shape. Strength - Probably Calzaghe Speed - Jones Jab - Calzaghe Defense - Calzaghe Experience - Tie, considering Calzaghe's excellent amateur achievements Ability to take a Punch - Calzaghe Fighting Inside - Calzaghe Counterpunching - Jones Conditioning - Calzaghe Ring Generalship - Calzaghe Heart - Calzaghe That's how I see it. Kellerman is wrong about the speed, but several important attributes of Joe's were not even mentioned -- work rate, the pace he sets, and stamina. 100% free webcam site! | Awesome chicks and it is absolutely free! | Watch free live sex cam - easy as 1-2-3

17y ago

Steak

I AGREE, THEY WERE GOOD CHAMPS, ANYONE THAT BECOMES A CHAMPION IN BOXING MUST HAVE SOMETHING? BUT KELLERMAN ONCE SAID THAT WILFREDO GOMEZ WAS "THE MOST OVERATED CHAMPION OF ALL TIME" HOW STUPID IS THAT??? :boxing: its pretty dumb. personally, Ive never seen anyone really overrated Wilfredo Gomez, and that guy had a hell of a career. 2nd or 3rd best Puerto Rican fighter of all time in my opinion, and thats saying something. maybe he just ran into a rabid Gomez fan that thought he was top 10 ATG or something, and it gave him the wrong idea. overrated all depends on who rated him in the first place.

17y ago

Vladimir303

I expected better from Kellerman. He seems to have a good view of things in boxing. I didn't like the whole SPeed, heart, power analogy he gave. It's pretty simple, either the Roy that fought Tarver in the third fight shows up, the one that was satisfied just to go the distance, and Calzaghe outworks him to a decision OR a determined ROY shows up and make Joe look like a nobody.

17y ago

roundingace

I favour Calzaghe around 60/40. The defining factor is just punch output for me. You know Calzaghe is just gonna throw an absolute shitload and Roy doesn't have the defensive abilities or legs to avoid enough of them I don't think. The only way Jones wins is if he lands an insane amount of counter straight right hands when Joe is coming in. It could happen but on the balance of probabilities I would say probably not. Well the punch output, obviously, is going to Calzaghe hands down. The answer to my question will be Jones' legs and his accuracy. RJJ has always been an effective puncher while not having to expend too much energy through all 12 rounds. So if Roy and his counter rights are there, I think it's going to be very difficult/impossible for JC to alter his plan thus winning the fight. The other factor is will Roy let himself go. If he tells himself to just go for broke and leave everything in that ring, I honestly, and not just because I'm a fan, don't see how JC stands a chance. Now all that being said, yes, it's a reach, but not out of the question. One things for sure, we will definitley find out.

17y ago

TheGreatA

I mostly agree with him. I would say that while Roy may have been the best fighter at SMW and Calzaghe the most accomplished SMW, Leonard was the overall most accomplished fighter (in a p4p sense) at SMW. Roy is getting more and more support as the fight comes closer but I still don't believe in his chances.

17y ago

Dan

I really think, dispite what others may think, that this is a fairly even match on paper as far as the physical attributes (with alot being arguable shows this). It's all going to come down to which Roy Jones shows up. If the serious, all business Roy comes in with determination and that "superman" will to win - goodnight. I honestly think, this is Roys fight to win or lose because Joe's plan is pretty cut and dry (effective nonetheless). I favour Calzaghe around 60/40. The defining factor is just punch output for me. You know Calzaghe is just gonna throw an absolute shitload and Roy doesn't have the defensive abilities or legs to avoid enough of them I don't think. The only way Jones wins is if he lands an insane amount of counter straight right hands when Joe is coming in. It could happen but on the balance of probabilities I would say probably not.

17y ago

roundingace

Yeah, I gathered. I wasn't necessarily disputing all the ones you highlighted, just giving my opinion on each. I really think, dispite what others may think, that this is a fairly even match on paper as far as the physical attributes (with alot being arguable shows this). It's all going to come down to which Roy Jones shows up. If the serious, all business Roy comes in with determination and that "superman" will to win - goodnight. I honestly think, this is Roys fight to win or lose because Joe's plan is pretty cut and dry (effective nonetheless).

17y ago

Dan

I should of clarified that because I put "wrong" didn't mean for it to be automatically assumed to go to Jones. I meant, as in the speed example you used, that alot of those can be debated. Yeah, I gathered. I wasn't necessarily disputing all the ones you highlighted, just giving my opinion on each.

17y ago

roundingace

Calzaghe clearly looks the bigger man IMO. He is also an incredibly strong guy, so I have no problem with both of those going to Calzaghe. Speed is a tricky one. Obviously handspeed it is clearly Roy but footspeed I think I would favour Calzaghe. Fighting on the inside I am definately going with Joe though, I don't think Roy has ever really liked fighting on the inside too much whereas Joe can create those little angles for himself and get off some really short little combinations in there. Jones needs to keep the action at arms length. Ring generalship and heart I would not favour either guy. I should of clarified that because I put "wrong" didn't mean for it to be automatically assumed to go to Jones. I meant, as in the speed example you used, that alot of those can be debated.

17y ago

Dan

Size - Calzaghe Wrong Strength - Calzaghe Wrong Speed - Calzaghe Wrong Jab - Calzaghe Defense - Calzaghe Experience - Jones Ability to take a Punch - Calzaghe Fighting Inside - Calzaghe Wrong Counterpunching - Jones Conditioning - Calzaghe Ring Generalship - Calzaghe Wrong Heart - Calzaghe Wrong Calzaghe clearly looks the bigger man IMO. He is also an incredibly strong guy, so I have no problem with both of those going to Calzaghe. Speed is a tricky one. Obviously handspeed it is clearly Roy but footspeed I think I would favour Calzaghe. Fighting on the inside I am definately going with Joe though, I don't think Roy has ever really liked fighting on the inside too much whereas Joe can create those little angles for himself and get off some really short little combinations in there. Jones needs to keep the action at arms length. Ring generalship and heart I would not favour either guy.

17y ago

Steak

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.... BUT KELLERMAN ONCE SAID THAT A FIGHTER THAT HAD 15 TITLE DEFENCES, ALL WON BY KO, WAS THE WORST CHAMPION IN HISTORY. I GUESS HE NEVER HEARD OF FRIAS, MANCINI,HAUGEN,PAZ,ETC.ETC. HE'S A MORON!....:boxing: Mancini, Haugen and Pazienza werent bad fighters at all. they were all pretty damn good, and very far from being the worst champs of all time.

17y ago