If these fighters fought each other.. Who would have achieved the most win?? Prime vs Prime...
Marco Antonio Barrera
Erik Morales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Manny Pacquiao
barrera got already 1 win against a prime morales...
Pac beat them all but some mexicans say that barrera "did not train" in the pac fight.. Morales was past his prime.. And Jmm beat pac..
Vote in the poll to see things more clearly as to who is the best among them...
Diss Pac all you want but he already beat all 3. MAB was still prime the 1st time, EM the 2nd time, and JMM is Pac's toughest opponent, even tho Erik did get a win on him and JMM didn't.
uh this should be a landslide for Pacquiao. I accidentally voted for Barrera. I'd rank them, Pacquiao, Morales, Barrera and then Marquez
Morales seems always to lose to barrera so I'll put barrera after pac... A prime barrera would beat a prime marquez no doubt..
pac fans always claim hes gotten better after fighting a washed up or mediocre fighter. they claimed that he beat morales the second time around because pac had improved while ignoring the obvious fact that morales' career was going in a downward spiral. But he didnt look better in his recent fight with jmm, then he fights punching bag diaz and they claim he's become a master technician
A past prime morales can still beat the crap out of a boxer except barrera.. But pac destroyed him.. Lets pretend morales is in his prime in the second fight.. Dont you think it would be a close fight with pac edgeding in the later rounds..
Pac is in a disadvantage in the first fight because of the bloody cut and cost him the fight..
Cuts usually distract you especially if your the agressor.
Fair enough, I guess we agree to disagree.
Cool agreed on disagreeing then! lol
U seem like a good poster but if we all agreed on everything then it would blow - worse than Mannys performance against JMM! lol j/k :burnout:
pac is going to have an edge in this type of poll because all filipinos and pac fans are going to receive his votes while the rest are going to have votes split among them. anyway, this is how i see it..
i think pac may have always given barrera problems
morales would have always had pacs number
marquez and pac would have always had close fights (although i think jmm earned the nod in the last fight)
mab would have edged out jmm
we all know the wars em vs mab became
and jmm vs morales is a ??? for me
Im kinDA with u except i think in a hard fought fight Morales beats JMM
pac is going to have an edge in this type of poll because all filipinos and pac fans are going to receive his votes while the rest are going to have votes split among them. anyway, this is how i see it..
i think pac may have always given barrera problems
morales would have always had pacs number
marquez and pac would have always had close fights (although i think jmm earned the nod in the last fight)
mab would have edged out jmm
we all know the wars em vs mab became
and jmm vs morales is a ??? for me
No i dont think Miguel had improved at all seen it all before early in his career, Gomez was just such a drop in class he made it look like Cotto was King Kong.
Fair play on Pac tho He HAS Improved a bit since then no question but not enough that i can honestly rate him over a prime non shop worn Erik Morales
Fair enough, I guess we agree to disagree.
pac fans always claim hes gotten better after fighting a washed up or mediocre fighter. they claimed that he beat morales the second time around because pac had improved while ignoring the obvious fact that morales' career was going in a downward spiral. But he didnt look better in his recent fight with jmm, then he fights punching bag diaz and they claim he's become a master technician
I don't think its because Pac isn't improving that he didn't look any better against JMM. I think its more because JMM is a master technician himself. I also think JMM is a really bad matchup for Pac.
Just think, what are the skills you need to beat Pac? JMM has them all:
respectable power
sharp counterpunching (best in the sport with Mayweather out I'd say)
good defense
able to adjust and gameplan midfight
respectable handspeed
Basically what I'm saying is, sure it's hard to see Pac's improvements against JMM because he's a hall of famer himself, and also happens to be a terrible matchup against Pac. That doesn't mean he isn't improving. His right hand should be proof of that.
I agree that you can't really judge Pac from his performance against Diaz. Still, as a Cotto fan, wouldn't you agree that Cotto was showing signs of some real progress in his skillset against Gomez? He showed off some pretty slick boxing skill, whether or not it was just Gomez.
Also, when Pac fought Morales early in his career, he was as one dimensional as they come! All he had going for him was his left hand! It was so predictable! He's just lucky his speed and power made up for it.
No i dont think Miguel had improved at all seen it all before early in his career, Gomez was just such a drop in class he made it look like Cotto was King Kong.
Fair play on Pac tho He HAS Improved a bit since then no question but not enough that i can honestly rate him over a prime non shop worn Erik Morales
Thats what Im trying to say.. Pac is always improving... Pac would murder any of the three if he is in a complete/peaked state.. In the diaz fight, he showed more tactical abilities...
pac fans always claim hes gotten better after fighting a washed up or mediocre fighter. they claimed that he beat morales the second time around because pac had improved while ignoring the obvious fact that morales' career was going in a downward spiral. But he didnt look better in his recent fight with jmm, then he fights punching bag diaz and they claim he's become a master technician
I'm not making any excuses for anybody. I like all four of those fighers. In fact, I can't decide who I like more between Barrera and Pac. All I'm saying is to ask yourself that question if Pac has reached his prime.
Can you honestly say with a straight face that DLH vs Pac is a fair fight? I predict DLH KO 7 or so, but the point is I dont think this fight should even be happening.
Anyways, Pac is good for the sport of boxing. He's exciting, and anybody that likes morales has to like Pac. If he struggles badly after the DLH fight, I would assume its because DLH ruined him. Now that is bad for boxing. I would never forgive DLH if he wrecked one of the brightest stars in boxing right now.
I agree with all that. Pac loses big to Oscar and isnt the same after so he's on the slide or ruined if u prefer might not be an excuse as much as a reason but my point is i cant see Pac getting ANY better didnt do any better against JMM 2nd time around anyway
He was great or at least he looked it AGAINST Diaz, it was a top performance no question but a Half dead Morales nearly beat that bum - i like Diaz AND Pac but Diaz is SLOW as shit one dimensional and crude he never stood a chance!
I agree that you can't really judge Pac from his performance against Diaz. Still, as a Cotto fan, wouldn't you agree that Cotto was showing signs of some real progress in his skillset against Gomez? He showed off some pretty slick boxing skill, whether or not it was just Gomez.
Also, when Pac fought Morales early in his career, he was as one dimensional as they come! All he had going for him was his left hand! It was so predictable! He's just lucky his speed and power made up for it.
Lets say Oscar Knocks him cold and he struggles bad in his next fight is the excuse he's now on the slide?
I'm not making any excuses for anybody. I like all four of those fighers. In fact, I can't decide who I like more between Barrera and Pac. All I'm saying is to ask yourself that question if Pac has reached his prime.
Can you honestly say with a straight face that DLH vs Pac is a fair fight? I predict DLH KO 7 or so, but the point is I dont think this fight should even be happening.
Anyways, Pac is good for the sport of boxing. He's exciting, and anybody that likes morales has to like Pac. If he struggles badly after the DLH fight, I would assume its because DLH ruined him. Now that is bad for boxing. I would never forgive DLH if he wrecked one of the brightest stars in boxing right now.
Thats what Im trying to say.. Pac is always improving... Pac would murder any of the three if he is in a complete/peaked state.. In the diaz fight, he showed more tactical abilities...
He was great or at least he looked it AGAINST Diaz, it was a top performance no question but a Half dead Morales nearly beat that bum - i like Diaz AND Pac but Diaz is SLOW as shit one dimensional and crude he never stood a chance!
For those of you guys picking Pac to lose the majority of the fights against the other 3, ask yourself this:
Is Pac even in his prime yet?
He's developing his overall skillset more with each and every fight!
Thats what Im trying to say.. Pac is always improving... Pac would murder any of the three if he is in a complete/peaked state.. In the diaz fight, he showed more tactical abilities...
For those of you guys picking Pac to lose the majority of the fights against the other 3, ask yourself this:
Is Pac even in his prime yet?
He's developing his overall skillset more with each and every fight!
Lets say Oscar Knocks him cold and he struggles bad in his next fight is the excuse he's now on the slide?
For those of you guys picking Pac to lose the majority of the fights against the other 3, ask yourself this:
Is Pac even in his prime yet?
He's developing his overall skillset more with each and every fight!
morales beats pacquiao and jmm, loses to barrera.....
barrera beats morales, loses to pacquiao and marquez(very close)
marquez beats barrera(very close) and pacquiao, loses to morales
pacquaio beats barrera, loses to morales and marquez
so draw between morales and marquez....or barrera because marquez-barrera is very tough to decide....
I can feel your hate. LOL!