The biggest reason I went with Manny over Bhop: Manny moved up more weight divisions. Although I do think Manny has beaten slightly better opposition than Bhop has.
See, McKinney just doesn't seem like that great of a name IMO. He was okay, but... idk, just never really seemed to get there. I was shocked at how bad he was getting beaten to the punch by Junior Jones, until (gasp!) Jones's chin failed him... again.
McKinney was a good fighter, he was involved in some wars and lost some fights he shouldn't have but he was a good fighter.
I'd probably go in this order:
Hopkins
Pacquiao
Barrera
Trinidad
Mosley
Now I'm REALLY regretting putting Barrera so low. If wmute and Manchine say Barrera > Trinidad, I'm definitely changing my mind. The fab 4 can't all be wrong.
Morales x2, Hamed, McKinney were his best. Good or decent wins over Tapia, Ayala, Sanchez, Peden and Juarez.
See, McKinney just doesn't seem like that great of a name IMO. He was okay, but... idk, just never really seemed to get there. I was shocked at how bad he was getting beaten to the punch by Junior Jones, until (gasp!) Jones's chin failed him... again.
You know why? IMO the win of manny over barrera (lock hof) and morales (lock hof) at their prime is such a great legacy... and for B-hop his win over a prime pavlik (fresh in my mind), oscar, trinidad etc is just too much for trinidad's legacy.. thats why i choose both... and trinidad loss his important fights... wright, bhop and jones(even they are both not in their prime)...
Morales's losses to Pacquiao were in no way his prime. You can argue not shot, and how little deterioration he had, but... I just watched Barrera-Morales III the other night, and he looked worse than he usually did in that fight. Couple that with the absolute fiasco against Zahir Raheem... idk how you can say morales was prime.
Trinidad beat Vargas, Whitaker, De La Hoya, etc. Pretty damn good names to compare with the Mexican featherweight trio of Barrera, Morales and Marquez IMO.
Hopkins' feat is fresh in everyone's mind so I wouldn't be surprised if most people voted for Hopkins and he definitely deserves it. Barrera or Pacquiao have the best resumes though IMO.
I see your point, Silencers. It really was close between Manny and B-Hop for me.
What are Barrera's marquis wins that put him up there in resume Silencers? If you say, it must be true, but I can't really think of many really great victories that he has other than:
Morales II
Morales III
Hamed
Then he has some pretty good victories against:
Ayala
Tapia
Obviously I'm missing some. Complete my list please!
Morales x2, Hamed, McKinney were his best. Good or decent wins over Tapia, Ayala, Sanchez, Peden and Juarez.
Hopkins' feat is fresh in everyone's mind so I wouldn't be surprised if most people voted for Hopkins and he definitely deserves it. Barrera or Pacquiao have the best resumes though IMO.
What are Barrera's marquis wins that put him up there in resume Silencers? If you say, it must be true, but I can't really think of many really great victories that he has other than:
Morales II
Morales III
Hamed
Then he has some pretty good victories against:
Ayala
Tapia
Obviously I'm missing some. Complete my list please!
This thread is between manny and B-hop only..... Both have some pretty great career... i think if manny can pull an upset in the dream match... it's easy for manny to win this one..:boxing:
I can't imagine any reason why Pacquiao is so far ahead of Trinidad that Felix doesn't even deserve to be mentioned...
Hopkins' feat is fresh in everyone's mind so I wouldn't be surprised if most people voted for Hopkins and he definitely deserves it. Barrera or Pacquiao have the best resumes though IMO.
Hopkins
Pacman
Mosley
Tito
Barrera
Calzaghe
You mother ****er!
Haha, I did mine that way even before seeing yours. Well done, even though Joey Cal was NOT on the list.
bhop followed by trinidad/pacman.. then barerra and shane last.. i think shane's career is overrated to be honest
I'll be shocked... and then angry if someone votes for Mosley. He obviously does not have the best career of the bunch.
Hopkins has a great run at 160, a killer win over a P4P ranked Tarver, and then two recent wins over P4P greats in Wright and Calzaghe. Plus, no one has ever convincingly beat him, other than Jones. He's my pick.
I don't know who I would place higher between Trinidad and Pacquiao... both have defeated a slew of great fighters.
Barrera in 4th.
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Shane Mosley is down here, in last place.