So what if Kelly Pavlik really has a legitimate excuse for his performance

For me at least, this "It wasn't me" is probably the worst kind of excuse. It's made even made worse when you look at Pavlik in any of his fights and you can see the holes in his style that a smart and skillful fighter like Hopkins could exploit. i would buy that he had an orgy with a buncha atlantic city hookers before the fight. but then i would feel worse about him having an orgy with atlantic city hookers, than losing to hop. pavlik has a legitmate excuse, he got outboxed. he wasn't ready for ber-nard's boxing intelligence and skills

Now if the argument was that Bernard shut him down, fine. But you cant shut down number output, that has to come from within a fighter. Yes, you can shut down number output. Pavlik has to set his feet before he punches. A boxer can throw off Kelly's stance by moving laterally faster than he can set his feet, or by frequent variation of the distance between him and the other fighter, causing him to throw far fewer punches. Plus, punching a guy in the face is an effective way to keep him from getting shots off, and Hopkins was also using that strategy pretty effectively against Pavlik.

i would buy that he had an orgy with a buncha atlantic city hookers before the fight. but then i would feel worse about him having an orgy with atlantic city hookers, than losing to hop.

Just wondering what people would think if Kelly Pavlik has a legitimate excuse or excuses? Sure he got beat convincingly by a legend. But I've said all along something wasn't right with him. And no its wasnt Bernard Hopkins. The Kelly that fought last saturday could have gotten beat by 100 fighters not just Hopkins. im not sure 100% what it was...but he looked like a boy fighting a man in there... hopkins made it look as if it were a tune-up fight for something bigger...kind of like how lockett was pavlik's staybusy/tune up fight. unfortunately im not sure he'll ever get a chance to prove it were a fluke because he was beat so convincingly the demand for a rematch by fans overall is extremely low...and other than hardcore pavlik fans i dont think many people really want to pay another $50 to see a one sided fight again...

Pavlik "I am shit" Me "You would be right"

i am from the same school of thought that believes something truly was wrong with Kelly that night. Looking at any of his past fights and the workrate he had on the fight vs. Hopkins, you can tell there was a huge difference in punch output from him. That wasn' Kelly Pavlik in their Saturday. Now if the argument was that Bernard shut him down, fine. But you cant shut down number output, that has to come from within a fighter.

pavlik got schooled, he needs to get better to be in bernards class. too bad there wont ever be a rematch and pavlik will have to live with this loss without a shot at redeeming it. styles make fights and bernard picked kellys style to pieces. and im as big of a pavlik fan as any outside of complete nuthuggers

For me at least, this "It wasn't me" is probably the worst kind of excuse. It's made even made worse when you look at Pavlik in any of his fights and you can see the holes in his style that a smart and skillful fighter like Hopkins could exploit.

LOL! The vindy is Pavlik's hometown's newspaper. The elbow wasn't a big deal and all that other shit is fake too.

If their fighter wasn't ready, Loew and crew should've postponed the fight. The first rule of boxing is to defend yourself at all times. If his condition was clearly going to impact his ability to perform in the ring against an experienced veteran like Hopkins, they are negligent for not saying something prior to the fight. So even if that's the case, which is an unlikely excuse, they get no sympathy from me.

Don't deny Bernard his cred for this win. He won fair and square in a fight many picked him to lose or even be KO'd.

I mean yeah it could of been the extra weight.. But i think it was both, It was the weight and it was Hopkins. And I think it was more Hopkins then anything else. Hopkins had a great gameplan in there and executed it to perfection. Kelly had no answers at all and looked lost in the very first round. He just needs to go back down to 160 thats his best weight.

I dont think he was too affected by that, I'm sure Loew would've opened his pie hole by now.

Here is a link...http://www.vindy.com/news/2008/oct/21/pavlik-suffered-from-bronchitis-sore-elbow-before/

I disagree I think you will find out more as early as tomorrow

Pavlik just got outclassed. Hopkins beat him then, and he would beat him any time they fought.