What does Hokins-Pavlik do to PACMAN?

Pacman is not gaining shit! he is actually losing weight you dumb f-ks! he is walking around in the mid 150's right now...do you not know how to read all the damn articles saying that all pacman has to do is lose a couple of pounds to make the welterweight limit??...gosh, what a bunch of ignorants with no knowledge. shut up newbie, we are not talking about his walk around weight, we are talking about his fight weight. If he is to stay at his walk around weight that would mean not being able to work out as intense as he might like to leading up to a mega bout. Not to mention he is used to getting hit by lightweights and not middleweights. no negative remarks in the whole thread till your ignorant dumb ass posted.

From observing, reading and listening I think Pacman won't be slow at all. And why do I say this? Well, didn't he approximate this weight during the Diaz fight? He didn't look slow then so there you have it. JAT of course... :wave:

Pacman is not at Palvik size. Pacman was gifted and can move as fast as he go up in higher weight, because training molds him to be a fast and better fighter.

Pacman weighed in at 145 on fight night during the Diaz fight, so I honestly do not think Pacman will be slower than he usually is, unless he overtrains himself and suffers an injury. Roach even said that he'll make Pacman weigh around the same for the Diaz fight on weigh-in, and only add a couple of more pounds during fight night.

In the first 2 min. of the first round of the Hopkins-Pavlik fight the very first thing I said was how Pavliks hands looked extremly slow compared to his previous fights. I blame the weight gain(for the slow hands not the outcome), my question is if your Pacman and watching the fight, seeing how Pavlik is clearly slower, do you start worrying that maybe after you gain even more weight then Pavlik had to gain, that maybe you wont be the same either? obviously jumping 2 weight classes to fight a very good fighter is a bad idea. the big great fighter always beats the small great fighter. pac will get dominated and then stopped around the 6th round.

Pavlik isn't really a fast fighter anyway, Pacquiao might not be as fast but Roach will make sure he is FAST ENOUGH.

Pavlik doesn't have the genetics/body like Pacquiao tho'.

I think it'll slow Pacquiao down a bit, but not that much. He will still be faster than De La Hoya. I think both Pac and De La Hoya will take note of this fight and try to be even more prepared for their encounter. .....now that I think about it, Pac's speed should really be about the same since he regularly comes in weighing 147 come fight night. He only dehydrates the day before to make weight.

In the first 2 min. of the first round of the Hopkins-Pavlik fight the very first thing I said was how Pavliks hands looked extremly slow compared to his previous fights. I blame the weight gain(for the slow hands not the outcome), my question is if your Pacman and watching the fight, seeing how Pavlik is clearly slower, do you start worrying that maybe after you gain even more weight then Pavlik had to gain, that maybe you wont be the same either? This is a really good question. First, the effect of additional weight and its possible adverse effect on PacMan's speed... I think that I read in an article that Roach wanted Pac to come in at 145-6 at the weigh in and then 147 fight night. Question is, will the 12 pound jump from 135 ruin or alter Pac's speed to take away that "advantage". Well, I say that if it does, it will not very much, and the reduction in speed will be compensated by his increase in power. But the important thing to note is that Oscar is a very quick fighter as well, so lets not assume that Pac has Oscar on speed off the bat. In addition to discussing speed however, i think a lesson of experience can be learned from Pavlik-Hopkins. Though Pac does have experience with championship level fighters, he has not done so as frequently as Oscar has but more importantly, he has not had those level of fights at 147. Oscar, whether you agree or disagree about him taking on all fights and not ducking, has fought many great fighters at 147 and above. Oscar's experience at higher divisions absolutely trumps Pacs'... Though Pac may surprise us and pull off an upset, this fight should not have been made IMO

anyone?????