just came to the conclusion hopkins was clearly robbed

I've ridden Joe pretty hard on here, but I think he makes the Hall Of Fame based on his work at SMW. I don't know how you can keep a man out with those accolades, even if a bunch of the competition was questionable to many. Now giving him all-time great status with his record as it stands at the moment is not credible to me. He needs at least another good win against a proven young buck and unfaded, highly regarded championship veteran to be considered for me. Despite what people here now think of Pavlik, that is the reason he should've taken that fight over Jones first. Kessler is his best win in that regard. He would've been the man right now too, if he fought Glen Johnson and pulled the W. He's got to make up for that duck some kind of way also.

"See that's what I'm saying right there, Calzaghe was almost knocked down again". -Emanuel Stewart If Joe leaves himself open as he did all through the Hopkins fight and many times in the Kessler fight (looking pathetic in the Manfredo fight). He'll be countered by Jones, its just a fact. Even a shit eating POS old as sand Roy Jones will counter the "sloppy Joe slap" he presented all night with Hop. It was sad and I don't understand how anyone can praise that. Joe didn't land anything reason his corner looked the way they did. Father and son knew they had lost.... But yea you Joey fans keep defending, he will need it come time for the HOF. He'll be lucky if he makes it....... sad.... I prey very hard for you Calaghe fans. I hope your Hero will make it to the big HOF.

finally someone agrees, hopkins won that fight clearly, i just dont get how people can say oscar was dominated by mayweather when oscar was using effective agressiveness unlike calzaghe hitting air and getting countered, and people say calzaghe won but oscar didnt come close?

you dumbass the reason his face was clean after the jones fight is because jones barely landed anything on him. Have you ever even watched the fight? Even HBO said a few days ago that the hopkins Jones match was like a tentative sparring match with neither fighter doing anything of note. Jones didn't dominate hopkins, he outclassed him but he did not dominate him and he didn't land much of anything at all on him in fact it was pretty much a stale chess match. Listen cuntface. I was responding to some thick cunt who said Calzaghe didnt land because there were no marks on Hopkins' face. I said that Hopkins' face rarely ever gets marked up even against Jones - that doesnt mean nothing was landed. Read the thread knob-jockey.

you dumbass the reason his face was clean after the jones fight is because jones barely landed anything on him. Have you ever even watched the fight? Even HBO said a few days ago that the hopkins Jones match was like a tentative sparring match with neither fighter doing anything of note. Jones didn't dominate hopkins, he outclassed him but he did not dominate him and he didn't land much of anything at all on him in fact it was pretty much a stale chess match. True but when he did land....... He did land! He wasn't windmilling into complete air with his head down and eyes closed like Joe was doing. It was boring, BUT the fact of the matter is Jones CLEARLY won the fight UNLIKE Joe. The judges, the public, the haters/fans all agree on the outcome. No dispute what so ever........ it WAS a very CLEAR win for Jones. Every time I watch the fight I (LOL) see Joe swinging at nothing. He did it in the Kessler fight but still connected (just looked funny). He did it in the Hop fight (and looked worse) and slapped the hell out of some air. My over all point is/was. If he leaves himself wide open and continues to do "The sloppy slap". Jones WILL counter and could possibly hurt him badly who knows. Joe of recent is so wide open, a really good counter puncher could connect. Hop did only once, but didn't take the risks or "take the seat belt off" for the rest of the fight. Or as many say "he got tired" and "didn't do enough".

Hopkins did use his defense effectively against Calzaghe. Where he went wrong........We all know that he did not mount enough offense.

It was a really shit fight, but Hopkins did not do enough to try and win it. He danced backwards, feigned injury and tried every dirty trick to avoid trading with Calzaghe. It was ugly and I think the judges saw that.

My apologies, your completely right. Just ticks me off because i swear half of it is just because hes from Britain. believe me its more than half! people hate on good fighters I can't think of any high profile fighters that don't get hated on, unfortunately for Joe he is British as well!!!

Yeah, watching Highlights is how you score a fight. LOL, that pretty much sums it up

And my point is that Hopkins face was clean after the Jones fight. He doesnt mark up - hes not Ricky Hatton. The way his face looked after is one of the lamest arguments that you can muster up. Remember public, judges and fans/haters all agreed on Roy's win over Hop unlike Joe's SD over Hop. and i'm not aruging. Im just stating that his face proves nothing. That is all.

Belay that "Americans are ****" bullshit, pal. Stupidity isn't country specific, it's a global affliction. My apologies, your completely right. Just ticks me off because i swear half of it is just because hes from Britain.

OMG Americans are LO FUKIN L Funny!!! Absolutly pathetic, not one of you morons have any class. This is a fukin stupid arguement you guys are putting forward. Hopkins did fuk all for the entire fight. He won about 4 rounds tops, some rounds were close but most ppl at the time gave Joe the nod and rightly so. Haha the HBO conspiracy theories are top notch, Proper 9/11 shit. Belay that "Americans are ****" bullshit, pal. Stupidity isn't country specific, it's a global affliction.

Oh yeh and about the slow mo replays... Maybe from now on we should have the fighters fight each other and then the judges can review the tape in slow motion and give the official decision 6 months after the fact. Your only 17 but your proof that school is not preparing children for real life.

OMG Americans are LO FUKIN L Funny!!! Absolutly pathetic, not one of you morons have any class. This is a fukin stupid arguement you guys are putting forward. Hopkins did fuk all for the entire fight. He won about 4 rounds tops, some rounds were close but most ppl at the time gave Joe the nod and rightly so. Haha the HBO conspiracy theories are top notch, Proper 9/11 shit.

lies. flat out lies. revising history again are we? just like calzaghe was a huge underdog against lacy right? why didn't cortez take any points away for all these egregious fouls? maybe cause calzaghe kept rushing in like a moron with his windmill air punches. it was bound to turn the fight into shit.he didn't take any points from calzaghe either for constant low blows and behind the head punches(only clean punches joe landed) how does that warrant a win? at the end of the day hopkins landed all the clean punches and there is nothing you can do or say to refute that. you have to live with the lie and keep defending a windmilling fairy. Cortez didn't take any points away because he, just like everyone who saw the fight, didn't think they were legitimate fouls...history revisionist, indeed!! If you are defending B-hop in that stinker of a fight, dude, I feel bad for you!!

O he landed, remember once again Hop didn't have the defense he has now and Roy would throw from all angels not just to the face. He actually landed Clean, unlike Joe against a more defensive and very slick fighter. As for his face I bet it looked better than it did VS Joe since he was about 15 or so years younger. Public, judges and fans all agreed on the outcome of the fight. That explains all. Not so much on Joe's SD outcome. Still my point is everyone is arguing about it and Hop's face as he stated was clean. If he did land it should have looked like Kessler's, who's face wasn't too bad but one could tell he was slapped around. And my point is that Hopkins face was clean after the Jones fight. He doesnt mark up - hes not Ricky Hatton. The way his face looked after is one of the lamest arguments that you can muster up.

Ive watched that fight........unfortunately. Jones didnt exactly look a million quid against a much more agressive but greener Hopkins. The point is, how did Bernards face look afterwards? I dont remember a scratch. According to you that means Jones didnt land. He clearly won 8 rounds. Roy and Hopkins were both at a young age, Hopkins had more professional fights than Roy, though Roy had more amateur experience.

Haha Kid you making yourself and America look stupid, Just STFU before you put more shame on your familys already tarnished name :) Calzaghe won, end of!! You ****ers actin like he put the same clinic on Calz that he put on your boy Kelly. Calzaghe made Bhop look old, Pavlik made Bhop look prime.. Thats the real difference here.

Ive watched that fight........unfortunately. Jones didnt exactly look a million quid against a much more agressive but greener Hopkins. The point is, how did Bernards face look afterwards? I dont remember a scratch. According to you that means Jones didnt land. O he landed, remember once again Hop didn't have the defense he has now and Roy would throw from all angels not just to the face. He actually landed Clean, unlike Joe against a more defensive and very slick fighter. As for his face I bet it looked better than it did VS Joe since he was about 15 or so years younger. Public, judges and fans all agreed on the outcome of the fight. That explains all. Not so much on Joe's SD outcome. Still my point is everyone is arguing about it and Hop's face as he stated was clean. If he did land it should have looked like Kessler's, who's face wasn't too bad but one could tell he was slapped around. I don't recall hardly any shots that were clean like Roy's were when he beat young Hop. Hop was the one landing clean shots. Joe swung his hands more.

I dont know, Hopkins landed at a higher percentage for sure, but Calzaghe controlled the fight and just landed so many punches over the course of the fight. He drowned Hopkins down the stretch. Bernard looked great in a few rounds, but in the others I do not think he was landing consistantly enough. I would like to watch the fight again, to be honest. I scored it 115-112 for Calzaghe the first time I watched it.