How many people here think Pavlik's jump in weight SEVERELY affected his chances?

it was hopkins' superior technical skill. its been well known that pavlik is one dimensional (which is mostly his trainer's fault)

People didn't think it was a problem going in. 10 out of 11 boxingscene staff writers picked Pavlik...or something like that.

It's a factor. But I don't think any version of Kelly beats any version of Hopkins. One thing we agree on. Weight was only a small factor. Hopkins said leading up to the fight, will Pavlik be able to survive that initial shock of being in with a real veteran. He didn't, he was confused, out manoeuvred, out witted and schooled.

"A little, but it was but a small part of a lot of problems Pavlik had"

This makes you appreciate fighter who goes up in weight and were still able to win and be competitive, Pavlik look indifferent in the taylor 2 fight also and that was at 166.

not severly, but he is clearly a middleweight naturally, and needs to stay there!

Either way, atleast now people will give ANY boxer that goes up in weight class to fight better competition some respect.

I think it may have made a slight difference but I think Pavlik was waiting for Hopkins to tire, that was his plan and he didn't have a Plan B. Hopkins was amazing last night and even though I had money on Pavlik by decision, I couldn't be mad because it was just amazing watching a 43 year old perform an absolute shut out on a P4P top ten 26 year old champion. I have a new level of respect for B-Hop after last night, was a brilliant fight.

Can't say it meant nothin at all, but it can't be used as an excuse either. the better fighter won.

Not really. Pavlik could barely land on Bernard. Bernard boxed and moved and gave him an entertaining boxing lesson all night. Pavlik never fought someone who didn't stand right in front of him and it showed. kelly only knows 1 way to fight, and that is forward and back fighting. Hopkins capitalised on that, and countered kelly everytime he threw a punch. That is a major discouragement to stop throwing punches.

I don't think the weight made any difference at all, he just met his match.

Not only that, if you look at Boxrec, you will see that Pavlik has fought at or near that weight before...several times. And that was years ago. No way you tell me that Kel hasn't grown in the past four years. It isn't the weight. It is the opponent. Kel is a great white hype that many bought into. Lets not go that far. He beat Miranda when nobody would fight him. He beat Taylor twice when nobody had (Hopkins couldnt.) He isnt a bad fighter or hype. Hopkins style and ability just beats Pavliks style and ability.

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I dont think it had anything to do with it. I am a huge Pavlik fan, and picked him to win. But Hopkins just handed him his ass because he was better.

**** that dont discredit hopkins.. kelly got exposed he's not an elite fighter he was white hype thats it he not a great fighter.. weight?? he ****in fighting a 43 year old man.. he flat out lost no excuses

In the Future people will say Kelly was a 'blown up middleweight' just like they did with Tito and Oscar calling them 'blown up welters'

the weight only mattered in the sense that the guy he was facing isn't gonna feel his punches the way a MW would.. (imagine pavlik vs sturm.. size power reach etc) pavlik could have come in at 160 and he would still have been the physically stronger fighter... i believe he was comfortable with the weight... just outclassed by the opponent

Hopkins is good enough to make his opponents look like completely different boxers. It had nothing to do with the weight and everything to do with Pavlik's inherent deficiencies. Hopkins is a legend in the sport and at 160 lbs. he still would've neutralized Pavlik's right, he still would've kept Pavlik off balance, he still would've given Pavlik angles, and he still would've won the fight. This was a classic style clash--and Bernards superior technique won the fight, plain and basic common sense.

The weight wasn't an issue. People overrate the weight issue with fighers way too much. In fact, fighting at 170 helps him as he himself would tell you. Less draining in training and more practice in the gym. It's not like he is a 5'10 middleweight who walks around at 165 in between fights. He is a 6'2/6'3, huge middleweight and is at that stage where is about to outgrow that division. His frame is barely making 160 imo. This was pure style mismatch. He was doing alot of strength and conditioning training......lifting big ass tires and hitting the sledge hammer unstead of coming up with a strategy and preparing for what Hopkins has to offer stylistically. They just assumed that a old ass Hopkins was gonna show up and give the fight to them, ignoring that Hopkins has been taking care of himself for more then a decade and is still a healthy guy. They had no plan for him. THAT WAS HIS BIGGEST PROBLEM.

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