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Shaw's "KO bonus" is unethical because it's cheating people who like or are more comfortable with going to the ground. The difference betwen Elite and UFC is that UFC's bonus system recognizes and rewards ALL aspects of the fight. But it wasn't a bonus, they paid Seth to "Keep it standing" not knock Kimbo Out!!

I thought were were talking about the kimbo/petruzilli fight? gary shaw was not present and it was his son jared...unless he called over phone and told them to stand at the time. The article was 4 days beyond the date of the fight. This has been news every day since Saturday night...

This scandal, if anything comes out of it, will bring down MMA. Boxing has had fixes for years and years and years and it hasn't been brought down. MMA wasn't brought down when PRIDE fix allegations came out; they won't here either, though it might contribute to EliteXC going under

Shaw DID admit to paying Petruzzi to stand up rather than take the fight to the ground. He's already on record about that.... It's short of a FIX though... This scandal, if anything comes out of it, will bring down MMA.

I got a question. Has there been anytime Gary Shaw in Boxing, ever admit manipulating or fixing fights to the press or on record? Thanks. i got a question why are u a MMA fan?

A lot of those punches look like they missed. Seth was winging shots, caught Kimbo a few times but I'm not sure Kimbo was that badly hurt. He's just a slow dude on the ground when it comes to reaction time. Might be a bad stoppage, I really can't tell because the shot gets blocked by the ref when he steps infront of the camera.

A way that benefited Kimbo. That's still fixing. Good thing it backfired. I wonder if Seth will pay in the company for it now or they'll use this to put him in another main event...

He didn't pay him to take a dive, just to fight a certain way... A way that benefited Kimbo. That's still fixing.

This article shows Gary as a consultant to the company Whose using Jared as a mouthpiece. If Gary was truly out the game, we'd be seeing more diverse, competititve matches.

How is that short of a fix? You're manipulating elements to (hopefully) get the outcome that is desired. That's not fixing? He didn't pay him to take a dive, just to fight a certain way...

It actually backfired on Shaw though or whoever cut the check - the stand up should have benefited Kimbo, not Petruzelli... Shaw's son tried to spin it that Petruzelli was a K-1 fighter and Slice was being trained by Rutten for his ground game, but I don't buy it. We all know standing up in front of Slice is a tougher way to beat him then to put him on his back where he's shown to be clueless... Seth was in K-1. He lost in K-1, but he was in K-1.

Shaw DID admit to paying Petruzzi to stand up rather than take the fight to the ground. He's already on record about that.... It's short of a FIX though... How is that short of a fix? You're manipulating elements to (hopefully) get the outcome that is desired. That's not fixing?

For the record, I'm not shitting on MMA, I'm shitting on Slice. He gives everybody in that sport a bad name if you ask me. And I'm not even an MMA fan, though I do like BJ Penn quite a bit.

So wait a second, that hypejob Slice finally got put down? :lol1:

Gary was interviewed too Bad news for Elite XC — big media outlets focus on the Kimbo/Petruzelli stand-up scandal By Zach Arnold | October 8, 2008 | Print This A few hours ago, I wrote this post reviewing the possible options of attack for MMA fans and writers if they wanted to further pursue the Seth Petruzelli/Kimbo Slice “stand-up” media scandal that is unfolding before our eyes. The most viable option of attack was to encourage the mainstream media (the broadsheets, TV networks) to pick up the story and run with it. We’ve already seen Jim Rome on ESPN give his two cents. Now, business is really starting to pick up. First, Dan Duggan in The Boston Herald talks about Petruzelli’s controversial radio comments from a few days ago in Orlando. Duggan’s media angle here? Getting comments from Dana White, which a sure-fire way to build up more steam for this story. “It disgusts me,” White said. “I’ve been busting my (expletive) for 10 years flying all over the planet to show everybody what a great sport this is and what amazing people are involved in it. Then CBS throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us, and he gets knocked out in (14) seconds by a guy who didn’t win ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ and couldn’t fight in the UFC. Then the guy turns around the next day and says, ‘The promoters actually paid me to not go to the ground with this guy. They paid me to stand up,’ which I’m pretty sure is illegal. ” Second, Lance Pugmire in The Los Angeles Times has an article about Petruzelli’s Orlando radio comments and further elaborates on how damaging the Kimbo Slice loss is to Elite XC. Congratuations to Steve Barry of MMA Convert for getting quoted in the article. Note that Pugmire’s story is not only online but also in the print edition of the Times paper today. The LA Times article is even more damaging because it has quotes from Gary Shaw about encouraging MMA fighters to stand-up for fights. “Do I think that’s unethical? No,” Shaw said. “Because in MMA, you get bonus money for a knockout. I don’t see it as unethical . . . asking him to be TV and fan friendly.” One quote I want to address in the LA Times article is this one: “Press reports that Elite XC suggested or paid money to . . . Petruzelli to keep his fight against Kimbo Slice off the ground are false. . . . Look. This scandal never would have happened if it wasn’t for Petruzelli himself saying what he did. The MMA media hasn’t ‘twisted his words’ one bit. Why? There’s been no need to twist any words. Petruzelli’s comments were made during a radio interview. The audio clips from that interview are easy to access online and accurate transcriptions of those comments are also available for anyone to access online. The Internet can be a very unforgiving place, especially when it comes to attempts to re-write history. To have two big articles on this scandal in two major media markets (LA & Boston) is real bad. To have the comments that Gary Shaw made in the LA Times is devastating in terms of credibility. Yesterday, I said that the media should have covered the PRIDE yakuza scandal more seriously than they did (coverage barely existed in the States). That scandal negatively impacted the business in a big way. Hopefully, everyone in the media, in the MMA industry, and those who work at state athletic commissions starts investigating the ’stand-up’ fighting scandal. Make no mistake about it — if Dana White wants to use his clout to push this story further in American media circles, he can. Would UFC benefit from this? Yes. However, so would the industry as a whole. Everyone has a vested interest in keeping as much corruption out of this business as possible. If you don’t think UFC management has a vested interest in seeing things stay as clean as possible, then you don’t understand what’s at stake here. As for Kimbo Slice, Dan Henderson of all people is bullish on him making a comeback in the MMA business. One other angle to focus on… Think about what Gary Shaw is quoted as saying in the LA Times article as compared to what Shaw’s son, Jared, said to MMA Weekly a couple of days ago. Go through the money quotes: Gary Shaw: But Elite XC consultant Gary Shaw said he wouldn’t hesitate to “go to a fighter and say, ‘We’re looking for a stand-up fight.’ You’re not asking him to throw a fight. You’re talking about a fan-friendly fight, not about protecting Kimbo. ” Jared Shaw: “Why in a million years would we ask Seth to not take Kimbo down? That’s crazy. That’s all Kimbo’s been working on is the ground game. Ken Shamrock, 84 percent of his wins are submission and through the ground, so Kimbo was ready for the ground. If anybody knows Seth Petruzelli, he’s a K-1 fighter, I wouldn’t want him standing. So to say ‘don’t take him down,’ that’s ridiculous. ” Now, focus in on comments Jeremy Lappen made in a brand new company statement: “Seth Petruzelli was offered a fee to fight Kimbo Slice, plus a knockout bonus, a common practice throughout the industry. EliteXC organizes and promotes fights. We have not… do not… and will not suggest or dictate fighters’ strategies or tactics. How the fighters perform in the cage is at the sole discretion of the athletes involved. ” Really? You should have told Gary Shaw this before he spoke to reporters at The LA Times on the record. Gary Shaw, a man who’s still a consultant for Elite XC. Gary Shaw, the man who built Elite XC based on his personal fighting & matchmaking philosophies. Gary Shaw, the man who built Elite XC around Kimbo Slice & Gina Carano as his main attractions. Gary Shaw, a man who told the LA Times that asking fighters to keep things ’standing’ is not unethical. One thing is very clear here — this has been a terrible PR disaster for Elite XC. If Dana White chooses to make this a bigger issue, it will be more than just a PR nightmare for Elite XC management. This article shows Gary as a consultant to the company

jared shaw his son ....not gary, gary shaw no longer does mma, he was promoting his boxing card in pechanga the same night as the kimbo fight. Gary was interviewed too Bad news for Elite XC — big media outlets focus on the Kimbo/Petruzelli stand-up scandal By Zach Arnold | October 8, 2008 | Print This A few hours ago, I wrote this post reviewing the possible options of attack for MMA fans and writers if they wanted to further pursue the Seth Petruzelli/Kimbo Slice “stand-up” media scandal that is unfolding before our eyes. The most viable option of attack was to encourage the mainstream media (the broadsheets, TV networks) to pick up the story and run with it. We’ve already seen Jim Rome on ESPN give his two cents. Now, business is really starting to pick up. First, Dan Duggan in The Boston Herald talks about Petruzelli’s controversial radio comments from a few days ago in Orlando. Duggan’s media angle here? Getting comments from Dana White, which a sure-fire way to build up more steam for this story. “It disgusts me,” White said. “I’ve been busting my (expletive) for 10 years flying all over the planet to show everybody what a great sport this is and what amazing people are involved in it. Then CBS throws this guy who fights at people’s barbecues on the main event because they’re trying to compete with us, and he gets knocked out in (14) seconds by a guy who didn’t win ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ and couldn’t fight in the UFC. Then the guy turns around the next day and says, ‘The promoters actually paid me to not go to the ground with this guy. They paid me to stand up,’ which I’m pretty sure is illegal. ” Second, Lance Pugmire in The Los Angeles Times has an article about Petruzelli’s Orlando radio comments and further elaborates on how damaging the Kimbo Slice loss is to Elite XC. Congratuations to Steve Barry of MMA Convert for getting quoted in the article. Note that Pugmire’s story is not only online but also in the print edition of the Times paper today. The LA Times article is even more damaging because it has quotes from Gary Shaw about encouraging MMA fighters to stand-up for fights. “Do I think that’s unethical? No,” Shaw said. “Because in MMA, you get bonus money for a knockout. I don’t see it as unethical . . . asking him to be TV and fan friendly.” One quote I want to address in the LA Times article is this one: “Press reports that Elite XC suggested or paid money to . . . Petruzelli to keep his fight against Kimbo Slice off the ground are false. . . . Look. This scandal never would have happened if it wasn’t for Petruzelli himself saying what he did. The MMA media hasn’t ‘twisted his words’ one bit. Why? There’s been no need to twist any words. Petruzelli’s comments were made during a radio interview. The audio clips from that interview are easy to access online and accurate transcriptions of those comments are also available for anyone to access online. The Internet can be a very unforgiving place, especially when it comes to attempts to re-write history. To have two big articles on this scandal in two major media markets (LA & Boston) is real bad. To have the comments that Gary Shaw made in the LA Times is devastating in terms of credibility. Yesterday, I said that the media should have covered the PRIDE yakuza scandal more seriously than they did (coverage barely existed in the States). That scandal negatively impacted the business in a big way. Hopefully, everyone in the media, in the MMA industry, and those who work at state athletic commissions starts investigating the ’stand-up’ fighting scandal. Make no mistake about it — if Dana White wants to use his clout to push this story further in American media circles, he can. Would UFC benefit from this? Yes. However, so would the industry as a whole. Everyone has a vested interest in keeping as much corruption out of this business as possible. If you don’t think UFC management has a vested interest in seeing things stay as clean as possible, then you don’t understand what’s at stake here. As for Kimbo Slice, Dan Henderson of all people is bullish on him making a comeback in the MMA business. One other angle to focus on… Think about what Gary Shaw is quoted as saying in the LA Times article as compared to what Shaw’s son, Jared, said to MMA Weekly a couple of days ago. Go through the money quotes: Gary Shaw: But Elite XC consultant Gary Shaw said he wouldn’t hesitate to “go to a fighter and say, ‘We’re looking for a stand-up fight.’ You’re not asking him to throw a fight. You’re talking about a fan-friendly fight, not about protecting Kimbo. ” Jared Shaw: “Why in a million years would we ask Seth to not take Kimbo down? That’s crazy. That’s all Kimbo’s been working on is the ground game. Ken Shamrock, 84 percent of his wins are submission and through the ground, so Kimbo was ready for the ground. If anybody knows Seth Petruzelli, he’s a K-1 fighter, I wouldn’t want him standing. So to say ‘don’t take him down,’ that’s ridiculous. ” Now, focus in on comments Jeremy Lappen made in a brand new company statement: “Seth Petruzelli was offered a fee to fight Kimbo Slice, plus a knockout bonus, a common practice throughout the industry. EliteXC organizes and promotes fights. We have not… do not… and will not suggest or dictate fighters’ strategies or tactics. How the fighters perform in the cage is at the sole discretion of the athletes involved. ” Really? You should have told Gary Shaw this before he spoke to reporters at The LA Times on the record. Gary Shaw, a man who’s still a consultant for Elite XC. Gary Shaw, the man who built Elite XC based on his personal fighting & matchmaking philosophies. Gary Shaw, the man who built Elite XC around Kimbo Slice & Gina Carano as his main attractions. Gary Shaw, a man who told the LA Times that asking fighters to keep things ’standing’ is not unethical. One thing is very clear here — this has been a terrible PR disaster for Elite XC. If Dana White chooses to make this a bigger issue, it will be more than just a PR nightmare for Elite XC management.

jared shaw his son ....not gary, gary shaw no longer does mma, he was promoting his boxing card in pechanga the same night as the kimbo fight. hey domain how are you :wave:

It actually backfired on Shaw though or whoever cut the check - the stand up should have benefited Kimbo, not Petruzelli... Shaw's son tried to spin it that Petruzelli was a K-1 fighter and Slice was being trained by Rutten for his ground game, but I don't buy it. We all know standing up in front of Slice is a tougher way to beat him then to put him on his back where he's shown to be clueless...

Wow i never realized thats how kimbo lost. with the simultaneous kick/punch that I thought was only for play fighting

No, the Kimbo Slice fight was not fixed. Shaw DID admit to paying Petruzzi to stand up rather than take the fight to the ground. He's already on record about that.... It's short of a FIX though...