If he put the kind of pressure on Floyd that he put on Cotto, Floyd crumbles in about 7 rounds. Cotto is a small Welter, so is Floyd. Tony would crush little Floyd.
Cotto tried everything he could to keep Tony off him and it failed. Cotto was elusive and hit Tony with everything he could. Eventually that PRESSURE got to him. The size difference was a huge factor.
Floyd has never put out as much, offensively, as Cotto did that night. I don't see Floyd doing as well as Miguel in a fight with Margarito. Tony would do what Castillo couldn't. He'd stop Floyd in devastating fashion just past the midway point!
As much as I cant stand Floyd, he wins this fight easily. He would be smart enough not to try and KO Tony (what got Cotto so tired after hitting Tony with every single punch he threw for 7 rounds) and Floyd is quick enough and has good enough defense that he would see all of those slow as hell wide shots that Tony throws. Floyd would win 9 or 10 rounds.
well i would like to see tony win meldrick taylor beat the head of chavez but chavez got him but with 2 seconds on the clock taylor was robbed.
ive seen what mayweather does its great for a purest to watch but margarito would never stop hunting him weather he would do enough work f..k it they should bring back 15 round bouts then we would see real champs.id say magarito because he will get points for agression if he does not ko floyd.i balls more than style if tony had a bit more in boxing skills say like aduran maybe he might draw him into a street fight.maybe bob should put hte money up to get maywether to fight
Floyd fights nothing like Meldrick Taylor. Meldrick was a offensive fighter that threw combination not really caring about what came back, he wanted to press the action. None of that applies to Floyd, and you did not just compare Margarito to Duran? I am in the minority because I think Floyd-Duran as a 50/50 fight but Duran could beat Floyd for sure, but Duran is so much more skilled then Margarito that they can not be compared.
So many laughable posts and opinions in this thread. My money would be on Mayweather and I would not have a second thought.
People say Floyd would move away all night, but that is not how he would do it. He would use movement a lot of this there is no doubt, but Floyd loves to fight inside an opponents wide punches, people always seem to miss this fact about his style even though most of his best work is done from the inside. Floyd would move away a lot pot shotting then suddenly come in land 1 nice clean shot then grapple then maybe use his forearm elbow the get some space for a body shot or 2 before getting broken up.
If Floyd was lazy and laid on the ropes a lot which he is known to Margarito could get off a bit, but even in this scenario I do not think he would really get at Floyd or hurt him. If Floyd does lay on the ropes and Margarrito chases him while not showing his frustration at the lack of effect he is having on Floyd he could possible outwork Floyd to get a decision on the cards. Floyd does not have a style that will really let him get his ass whipped, so if Margarito can actually be effective on the inside and Floyd is forced to be on his bike then Margarito has a pretty good shot of getting the nod on the judges scorecards (If Floyd is always moving away Margarito's wide shots will land from time to time and with his activity it would give a certain preceptions).
well i would like to see tony win meldrick taylor beat the head of chavez but chavez got him but with 2 seconds on the clock taylor was robbed.
ive seen what mayweather does its great for a purest to watch but margarito would never stop hunting him weather he would do enough work f..k it they should bring back 15 round bouts then we would see real champs.id say magarito because he will get points for agression if he does not ko floyd.i balls more than style if tony had a bit more in boxing skills say like aduran maybe he might draw him into a street fight.maybe bob should put hte money up to get maywether to fight
Well you're right that they are different fighters. Given that, Floyd don't make it to the eleventh. Like I said in the first post, he gets stopped before the end of the 8th.
No chance of that sorry........
So many laughable posts and opinions in this thread. My money would be on Mayweather and I would not have a second thought.
People say Floyd would move away all night, but that is not how he would do it. He would use movement a lot of this there is no doubt, but Floyd loves to fight inside an opponents wide punches, people always seem to miss this fact about his style even though most of his best work is done from the inside. Floyd would move away a lot pot shotting then suddenly come in land 1 nice clean shot then grapple then maybe use his forearm elbow the get some space for a body shot or 2 before getting broken up.
If Floyd was lazy and laid on the ropes a lot which he is known to Margarito could get off a bit, but even in this scenario I do not think he would really get at Floyd or hurt him. If Floyd does lay on the ropes and Margarrito chases him while not showing his frustration at the lack of effect he is having on Floyd he could possible outwork Floyd to get a decision on the cards. Floyd does not have a style that will really let him get his ass whipped, so if Margarito can actually be effective on the inside and Floyd is forced to be on his bike then Margarito has a pretty good shot of getting the nod on the judges scorecards (If Floyd is always moving away Margarito's wide shots will land from time to time and with his activity it would give a certain preceptions).
Well, Cotto is a vastly different type of fighter than Mayweather. Cotto allowed himself to get hit to the body by laying on the ropes. If you think the Cotto/Marg fight would be similar to a May/Marg fight you're sorely mistaken. They would so different that it wouldn't even be possible to compare them in any way, shape or form. Chalk and cheese mate. Chalk and cheese.
Well you're right that they are different fighters. Given that, Floyd don't make it to the eleventh. Like I said in the first post, he gets stopped before the end of the 8th.
Floyd can bob and weave and slip and slide all night but his body will always be a hitable target. Ask Miguel Cotto.
Well, Cotto is a vastly different type of fighter than Mayweather. Cotto allowed himself to get hit to the body by laying on the ropes. If you think the Cotto/Marg fight would be similar to a May/Marg fight you're sorely mistaken. They would so different that it wouldn't even be possible to compare them in any way, shape or form. Chalk and cheese mate. Chalk and cheese.
Cotto is a fighter. He is a mid-range pressure fighter that also has some boxing skills against limited opposition. He fought a fight that was perfect for Marg to excel at. He lay on the ropes and exhausted himself with much unnecessary movement when he wasn't against them. Cotto is also not very good at defending his body. He keeps his hands up in a very high guard like ear-muffs which exposes his body.
Mayweather is a pure defensive counter puncher that will not fight under any circumstances. He would keep the majority of the fight in the centre of the ring and use small lateral steps to offset Marg's offense which would create his counter opportunities.
On the ropes Mayweather has the perfect defense to negate Marg's offense. He knows how to protect his body brilliantly and use that same defense to open up counter shots. You would know from seeing Mayweather fight that he keeps his right elbow tightly tucked in to cover his liver and the left shoulder up to ward off head shots. Margarito would not be able to hit him in the head and he would try to go to the body a lot whenever Mayweather lay on the ropes, which wouldn't be that often. The right elbow blocking the left hook to the body sets up two main shots for Mayweather - A straight right counter while the left hook is being thrown, which will often get there well before the left hook does therefore throwing it off target and also a counter right, short uppercut or hook which is thrown after the left hook has been blocked. These two punches would land very frequently on Margarito on the inside and, whether you think so or not, it would make him throw that punch less than he normally would simply because he knows that when he throws that punch there will always be a solidly landed right hand counter coming back that will score openly.
It is possible, though very unlikely, that he could even put Margarito down with one of those shots, especially the straight right counter. I know this might sound crazy, but it's not as crazy as you might think. Now, just to clarify, this would not be the result of a punch that would hurt Margarito therefore sending him down but a punch that would land while Marg is in the middle of throwing and quite off balance and could therefore put him down simply through that. It nearly happened to Oscar at 154 numerous times throughout the fight and Oscar has nearly as good a chin as Marg. It is not about power, but landing while off balance and not seeing the shot. Anyway, I don't actually think that would happen but those shots would score very well and they look powerful. I would like to see Marg beat him but I just know that he doesn't have the skill needed to do it.
He may still have those abilities you mentioned above, but he decided not to show them against Floyd. I think Floyd had enough pop to keep Oscar honest. Floyd wouldn't have anything to keep Tony off of him. He'd be in full retreat from the opening bell, and that is exhausting. I can't see how Floyd would win after watching him struggle with a 135 Castillo. Many people were surprised when Cotto fell to Tony, and I think there would be similar results if Floyd fought Tony. I think Floyd feels the same way; he never had any intentions of fighting Margarito. Even Floyd knows his limits.
He wouldn't need pop to keep Margarito off him. If you can side step and throw Margarito off balance and keep him turning then he can't get set enough to throw anything worth while. Williams beat him and he didn't have enough power to keep Margarito off him.
I can see where you're coming from with this line of thought but Margarito just doesn't have the necessary skills to be able to do anything to overly trouble Mayweather. You have to have a certain amount of speed, defense, ring generalship etc etc in order to be able to put enough pressure on to push him and you need them in larger doses than Marg has.
Pressure means nothing if you cannot actually land anything significant. Against Cotto he was able to land enough to hurt and slow him, but that was against Cotto and Cotto doesn't have the skill or efficiency of Mayweather.
A great boxer does not need power to beat a pressure fighter. You need angles, jab, speed, efficient footwork and movement. Mayweather has all of these and more. Margarito is a great exciting fighter but he is not the guy that would beat Mayweather. He just does not have the style at all to win. He does, however, have the exact style that Mayweather excels at beating. Slow, pressure fighter with no defense against counters that can be confused with movement and needs to be set to punch.
He brings more to the table against certain fighters. Against Mayweather you need a good, fast jab and straight short punches. Marg has neither.
Floyd can bob and weave and slip and slide all night but his body will always be a hitable target. Ask Miguel Cotto.
The Oscar that Floyd "fought" was just a shawdow of the great fighter he once was. Margarito's advantages in size, workrate, stamina, pressure and power would be enough to have a better performance than Oscar did against Floyd. At this point, Tony brings more to the table than Oscar did.
He brings more to the table against certain fighters. Against Mayweather you need a good, fast jab and straight short punches. Marg has neither.
Even that version of Oscar had the better Jab, Ability to cut off the ring and speed. Margarito has ALOT of stamina, Great Chin, Size, Power but that isn't enough to beat Floyd. To beat Floyd...Margarito would have to MAINLY up his speed, throw shorter punches, cut the ring better and develop a good jab.
He may still have those abilities you mentioned above, but he decided not to show them against Floyd. I think Floyd had enough pop to keep Oscar honest. Floyd wouldn't have anything to keep Tony off of him. He'd be in full retreat from the opening bell, and that is exhausting. I can't see how Floyd would win after watching him struggle with a 135 Castillo. Many people were surprised when Cotto fell to Tony, and I think there would be similar results if Floyd fought Tony. I think Floyd feels the same way; he never had any intentions of fighting Margarito. Even Floyd knows his limits.
I'll make a bar graph comparing DLH with Margarito
DLH
Speed ------------
Power -----------
Ability to cut of the ring ------------
Defense ---------
Stamina -------
Chin ---------------
Going to the body --------
Margarito
Speed: -----
Power: -------------
Ability to cut off the ring: -----
Defense: ----
Stamina: --------------
Chin: -------------------- lolz
Going to the body: --------------
Puas I just wana be a little resonable
How will Margarito beat Mayweather when
1. He is too slow
2. Throws wide looping shots! Which is a DUMB considering your speed
3. He is too damn predictable
4. Margarito is GREAT at aplying pressure...Problem is Mayweather isn't Mentally weak. Its impossible to break his will.
5. Mayweather will smile have an easy time with him. He'll lay on the ropes counter him all day and out jab him. Then he'll await the critisizum after the win.
Just my opinion Puas your still a GREAT thread starter
The Oscar that Floyd "fought" was just a shawdow of the great fighter he once was. Margarito's advantages in size, workrate, stamina, pressure and power would be enough to have a better performance than Oscar did against Floyd. At this point, Tony brings more to the table than Oscar did.
Mayweather doesn't have the balls to get in the ring with Margarito, so will never know the outcome of the fight
Mayweather fans can say all the shit they want that about how they think floyd would make margarito look foolish and slow n all that shit but they have no credibility because the Fact is that floyd has never had the balls to fight Margarito not when it was proposed a couple years ago by Margarito team and not now when Antonio Margarito is the top dog at WW in the sport! although i dont waste my time talkin about this fight because its not gonna happen because floyd rather be retired at least us Margarito fans can talk cause our guy has been challenging floyd for years now he's not one bit afraid of mayweather! Thats all the matters, if Mayweather ever comes back and says i want Margarito and this fight happens then they can talk all the crap they want about how they think the fight would go down in favor of floyd or watever
Sorry, but Margarito is a better fighter than all of those guys. infact, i think he could line them up and beat them all in the same night. Floyd is great defensively. However, Margarito is very good a enforcing his will upon you and eventually making a guy break. Like I always say, if it was truly indeed as simple as many make it, the fight would have been made. The truth is, its not an easy fight for Floyd. margarito is a real toughguy. no fight he's in is easy. Even in losing, he makes it known that his opponent was in a fight.
He's clearly better than all of those guys despite not even remotely having the same amateur pedigree. He would kill guys like Hatton, Mitchell, Judah and Baldomir and knock them out early as well with the exception of Baldomir who would take a 12 round beating.
I somehow doubt anyone will make Margarito Fighter of the Year for beating the likes of Hatton and De La Hoya in the same year.
I think many are overrating Margrito's skill.
He is a big monster of a welterweight, very very tough and a heavy big puncher. But to say he is a better fighter than Corrales, Hatton Judah etc isnt true.
He wouldnt stop Floyd as he wouldnt hit him very much. It would be a 12 round cat and mouse affair.
Id like to see it.
So you think those guys would beat him?
I think many are overrating Margrito's skill.
He is a big monster of a welterweight, very very tough and a heavy big puncher. But to say he is a better fighter than Corrales, Hatton Judah etc isnt true.
He wouldnt stop Floyd as he wouldnt hit him very much. It would be a 12 round cat and mouse affair.
Id like to see it.
umm taste more leather than ever before??
have you ever seen floyd get hit cleanly all night???
hes faced guys who are waaay more accurate with their shots such as DLH, castillo, corrales, judah etc these guys have tons more skill and accuracy than marg and they all have failed to bust floyd up.....
Sorry, but Margarito is a better fighter than all of those guys. infact, i think he could line them up and beat them all in the same night. Floyd is great defensively. However, Margarito is very good a enforcing his will upon you and eventually making a guy break. Like I always say, if it was truly indeed as simple as many make it, the fight would have been made. The truth is, its not an easy fight for Floyd. margarito is a real toughguy. no fight he's in is easy. Even in losing, he makes it known that his opponent was in a fight.
margarito is also much slower and easier to read than hatton.
Margarito and Hatton should not even be mentioned in the same paragraph when discussing a fight with Floyd. The advantages Tony brings to the table against Floyd would clearly outweigh any advantages that Hatton had against Floyd. Slower than Hatton or not, it wouldn't matter cuz Tony brings so much more than Fatton in a fight with little Floyd.
But don't forget, Margarito, is the a mucher bigger man than Hatton, And is the much better fighter then Ricky at welterweight. But i do still think Mayweather would win!
margarito is also much slower and easier to read than hatton.
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