In every scenario other than the beach at Rio or a middle school playground, Penn gets fucked up. Period. Its not going to the ground
IN MMA he's a badass. I love watching Penn. Am a huge fan, just wish he'd stop being a fatass and ruining his potential.
You have no logical reasoning for the post other than the "ground game". I've gone over why that doesn't work over an over again.
Also what's with you and fat overweight fighters? Tito, Tua, Penn? You love the lardos.
How would Penn not be able to take it to the ground? History says your wrong. I can't recall any MMA fight where a pure striker managed to keep the fight standing without having spent a long time training takedown defense in advance. The only fighter to have come from a pure striking background and become a top MMA fighter is Mirko Crocop, and he only achieved that with a long long time spent training wrestling.
The only times a grappler gets knocked out trying for a takedown have been through knee strikes, such as in Gomi vs Ralph Gracie, Hansen vs Imanari, Anderson Silva vs Carlos Newton.
About keeping the fight standing, David Haye did an interview in a UK MMA magazine recently and gave his thoughts on the differences in striking styles between MMA and boxing, and defending takedowns as a boxer:
"A traditional boxer can't get off with the same punches he'd be able to throw in a boxing match. You have to consider getting hit with fists, legs and takedowns. Balence-wise, and in terms of leverage, the two styles of punching are completely different. In MMA, you're always moving and changing angles to avoid shots, clinches and takedowns. That automatically takes away the balence and the moment to set you'd need as a boxer"
"Unless you adapt to the kind of stand-up needed in MMA, you'll get taken down as soon as you set your feet up to throw a big shot. A boxer wouldn't be as effective punching wise in an MMA contest as he would be in a boxing ring. A lot of boxers don't realise that and think they can just turn up and bomb the MMA guy out. While there's always a chance of that happening, it's only a slim chance."
"I'd sometimes play games with MMA guys down the gym where I'd attempt to get off a clean shot before they could take me down. They would usually take me down eight times out of ten. I'd land my shot only twice in ten attempts"
Everyone knows what a fuckin fist fight is, except for those little fuckin' world of warcraft playin', never been in a fight, shit talking punks who interpret everything they hear or read in thier favor.
A fist fight is a fight, with no fuckin rules, at all. A scrap, a throwdown, a street fight. That's it. And BJ would whoop that ass. That's all these local boys do here in Hawaii, scrap, and they're damn good at it.
true. you know how people are.
i know. i never make mma vs. boxers threads but puas fucked it up when he said "fist fight" instead of "street fight".
in a streetfight baby j has the advantage but fist fight could be interpreted as boxing with no gloves which b.j. would be at a disadvantage with any elite boxer.
Everyone knows what a fuckin fist fight is, except for those little fuckin' world of warcraft playin', never been in a fight, shit talking punks who interpret everything they hear or read in thier favor.
A fist fight is a fight, with no fuckin rules, at all. A scrap, a throwdown, a street fight. That's it. And BJ would whoop that ass. That's all these local boys do here in Hawaii, scrap, and they're damn good at it.
The first time I got locked up in county and they gave me the uniform I was so nervous I put my sweats on backwards.
That was embarassing walking out like that. aT FIRST i couldn't figure out why people were saying shit to me.
But after many stints, I was as tough as anyone.
first time i was in there i walked from my block to the shower room buttnaked just with my towel over my shoulder and my milk carton carrying my soap and shampoo.
:nonono:
deputy looked at me like i was crazy.
And take your inbred thoughts to yourself.
Penn, an Asian-American, would kick the crap out of any great Latino fighter from any era in a freestyle/streetfight!
Relac Packit, you and your buddy need to go and hang out at the mma section, you know the section for these type of thread, good bye.
Stare at the number everyday and get called it and you learn fast.
I got a tattoo of it on my leg to remind me.
Never forget man. Never
i never got called my whole p number.
the only thing i remember was the last 4 of my county number.
in the county it's your last name and the last 4 digits.
also i spent more time fighting my case than serving my time. :)
i'm not underestimating boxers. i think b.j. kicks all the mma guys at 155-170 too.
bj is hawaiian. why does he have to be filipino? :thinking:
no one ever said boxing won't be here?
it has nothing to do with mma vs. boxing.
i said bj penn in a streetfight with a boxer now at 147-160.
if i said tyson in a streetfight with any mma fighter 185-up would i be saying mma won't be around anymore?
relax , vato. it's not a mma vs. boxing thread. it's a b.j. penn nuthugging thread. :)
Stop kissing ass to penn and trying to talk mma in the boxing section, take your crap to the mma section.
Didn't expect this from left hook tua but then again, im thinking bj penn is a fil-am.
You and some other people really under estimate a boxer but its alright, boxers have never been in a street fight, right.
Im betting more then a few boxers who kick bj penns ass. How so? They have a reality show with newbie wannabe ufc fighters and they some how win every know and then point example griffen.
You like mma keep that shit to the mma lounge. I know for a fact boxing will still be here.
i'm not underestimating boxers. i think b.j. kicks all the mma guys at 155-170 too.
bj is hawaiian. why does he have to be filipino? :thinking:
no one ever said boxing won't be here?
it has nothing to do with mma vs. boxing.
i said bj penn in a streetfight with a boxer now at 147-160.
if i said tyson in a streetfight with any mma fighter 185-up would i be saying mma won't be around anymore?
relax , vato. it's not a mma vs. boxing thread. it's a b.j. penn nuthugging thread. :)
Kermit Cintron said he'd fight an mma fighter but danna white refused his challenge.
If i was a moderater i'd ban every person who starts a mma thread in a boxing scene section.
Didn't expect this from left hook tua but then again, im thinking bj penn is a fil-am.
You and some other people really under estimate a boxer but its alright, boxers have never been in a street fight, right.
Im betting more then a few boxers who kick bj penns ass. How so? They have a reality show with newbie wannabe ufc fighters and they some how win every know and then point example griffen.
You like mma keep that shit to the mma lounge. I know for a fact boxing will still be here.
Forget 160, I think Penn can even take on Pavlik! I mean, Penn did fight Machida in a competitive fight, and Machida competes at 205lbs! Machida, if you ask me, is even a tougher fight because he's an excellent kicker and knows how to fight on the ground.
The type of boxer that would give MMA guys problems in any fighting environment are the boxer types, the natural counter-punchers, but the sluggers, well they're walking right into the grappler's trap!
machida is good a light heavyweight too. he beat the crap out of rich franklin at 205
also i think machida weighed like 210-220 for the penn fight. it was open weight.
I wouldn't neccessarily consider Pulver well-rounded. GSP yes, 'cause he has beaten top ground guys at their own game. Pulver on the other hand has been manhandled on the ground by top ground guys such as Penn and Faber!
The thing is, Pulver may have had the wrestling background, but he has found alot of his success on his feet, I mean, his claim to fame was hitting Penn around the cage in their first matchup.
jens was a small lightweight that's why.
when skills are even or close , strength wins out in grappling.
jens had good pop that's for sure.
What's a street fight. Get off the Dana White Zombie patrol. Penn wouldn't do shit.
not on the dana white bandwagon.
i didn't even like the ufc when dana was in charge.
i like the ufc before dana and after i was a pride guy.
i'm on the b.j. penn bandwagon. get it straight.