Will boxing fans allow Calzaghe to retire without facing Pavlik?

...and Calzaghe keeps on talking about Pavlik when it isn't even guaranteed he'll get past Roy Jones Jr.:lol1:

Calzague always has a mouth full to speak of Pavlik and always says Pavlik is nothing. Well, having said that, I hope Calzague fights Pavlik before retiring or it will really look bad on him.

Why do you say that? Have you seen Calzaghe vs 43 year old BHopp? Didn't you notice BHopp only lost because, at 43 he doesn't have the stamina to keep active for 12 rounds? And still he floored JC. I don't see how can Pavlik not kill JC in a fight. JC has work rate going for him... but that's because he didn't face someone as Pavlik. There is no way JC can survive Pavlik straight right hand. No way. But of course BHop didn't 'only lose because he doesn't have the stamina'. I'm not sure if you noticed, but there was another boxer in the ring that night and he was giving Bernard hell, relentlessly pursuing him around the ring, keeping him under pressure. Hopkins had a hell of a lot to deal with just trying to shut Joe down, let alone mounting any sustained attack of his own. I know you'll never be able to see this though.

I dont think pavlik can beat calzaghe on his best day BUT no he Will have to fight him or he will never live it down Why do you say that? Have you seen Calzaghe vs 43 year old BHopp? Didn't you notice BHopp only lost because, at 43 he doesn't have the stamina to keep active for 12 rounds? And still he floored JC. I don't see how can Pavlik not kill JC in a fight. JC has work rate going for him... but that's because he didn't face someone as Pavlik. There is no way JC can survive Pavlik straight right hand. No way.

The way I see it, Calzaghe fans don't like the fight happening and Pavlik fans want the fight to happen...i wonder why? :boxing: Are you crazy? Do you post about things that actually happen, or just what you would like to be the case? I think you will be very hard pressed to find a Calzaghe fan who does not welcome the idea of a Pavlik fight, its an easy fight for Joe.

Seriously dude why are you so eager for this fight, does Calzaghe owe you anything personally? This is crazy out of all the potential fights out there you're worried about what Joe will do next. I dont know if you realize this but the sport of boxing doesnt revolve around Calzaghe, never did never will. So instead of stirring the pot and hoping for more arguments why don't you focus on more realistic future fights like Margs-Williams II, or Hatton-Cotto, Wlad-Peter II etc. Unless you can explain in detail why Cal-Pav is this great matchup like you're trying to sell it as I suggest you keep quiet and stop instigating. I think Pavlik to Calzaghe is what Margarito is to Mayweather. I can understand that you fear Pavlik might take away Calzaghe's O the same way Prescott did Amir Khan, and might wipe everything Calzaghe has managed to accomplish in 15 or so years, It's perfectly normal to be scared for your fighter. Just like most fans, I want to see a superfight like this happen. Calzaghe bitched about them offering Pavlik a fight, I just want to help make sure Calzaghe gets what he wants. Don't you want this fight to happen?:lol1:

There'll always be the next bright young thing to fight. Twas ever thus.

Then tell him to shut the fuck up! He keeps running his mouth = demand to get it closed. nyahahahaha :lol1:

Exactly. Joe has been fighting for 16 years, made a fortune, and can retire any damn time he wants to. He owes Pavlik nothing. Then tell him to shut the fuck up! He keeps running his mouth = demand to get it closed.

i really dont care much about Calzaghe so its not like he would lose much respect from me not because i dont like him its just i dont really follow him or find him that interesting to watch fight. however he would gain a lot of respect from a lot of people who really dont know much about him or dont care about him by fighting a very tough solid challenger who has a good chance of beating him in Pavlik. because Pavlik is one of the most popular tough fighters in the sport right now. If he decides to duck him well people will question him despite his great legacy and rightly so because the greats should always face other greats its what makes boxing what it is!

better win possibly, but he wasn't dropped in that fight. and his face looked worse after hopkins fight. i predict abraham will move up to smw instead of pav coming back down. nobody else to go back for, and theres more up and coming smw; taylor, froch, direll, ward, and inkin. I think AA will most probably stay at MW for at least a few more fights. Pavlik should go back down there after BHop (which is a fight he should not have taken anyway) and try to unify the titles. Once he has beaten AA and proved he is the man at 160 (if he does manage to get past AA) he should then look up and go after the man at SMW, which is definately Mikkel Kessler. This would fully establish him as the elite guy in that weight range.

Given the situational factors I think Kessler was a better win for Calzaghe. Hopkins was pretty limited due to his age against Joe and was pretty much limited to spoiling in order to make the fight close. One of my pet hates in boxing is fighters moving up and down and fighting ppl all over the place when there are still top fighters to be beaten in their own division. Once Pavlik beats AA I would then like to see him move up. But he still hasn't conclusively proven that he is the best MW out there, and that is a problem that I think he should concentrate on rectifying. better win possibly, but he wasn't dropped in that fight. and his face looked worse after hopkins fight. i predict abraham will move up to smw instead of pav coming back down. nobody else to go back for, and theres more up and coming smw; taylor, froch, direll, ward, and inkin.

it is but hes obviously chasing joe, next best thing is fighting his best win put more pressure. if he fought abraham, they might say something like hes still @ 160 hes not ready and hasnt prove he can fight at higher weight. Given the situational factors I think Kessler was a better win for Calzaghe. Hopkins was pretty limited due to his age against Joe and was pretty much limited to spoiling in order to make the fight close. One of my pet hates in boxing is fighters moving up and down and fighting ppl all over the place when there are still top fighters to be beaten in their own division. Once Pavlik beats AA I would then like to see him move up. But he still hasn't conclusively proven that he is the best MW out there, and that is a problem that I think he should concentrate on rectifying.

CAN calzaghe retire without fighting pavlik? yes. will he be given a lot of criticism if he retires without fighting pavlik? yes. Unless hopkins beats pavlik or someone else comes along to beat pavlik its only logical that if calzaghe wants the status he seeks that the road to that title is kelly pavlik. Not many from the media or boxing fans will given calzaghe high acclaim unless he goes after the best in the U.S.A. like a kelly pavlik or even a jermain taylor; etc. Majority of Calzaghe's wins are against...VIRTUAL no-names and b class fighters. Who has calzaghe REALLY beat other than bernard hopkins (who is 43 and far out of his prime)??? there isnt many worth mentioning. If calzaghe were to face and beat kelly pavlik his status would rise greatly due to that win over a highly rated fighter.

Because unifying divisions is important. it is but hes obviously chasing joe, next best thing is fighting his best win put more pressure. if he fought abraham, they might say something like hes still @ 160 hes not ready and hasnt prove he can fight at higher weight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGJrRTmTl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyYHSPfXZU - arum/warren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG7M4aalKU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmY9K2vXkDg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffwigze5kTs jones wasn't practically signed before they heard from arum. in one of those videos arum/warren discussing fight being made. warren said only thing stopping the fight was joe agreeing to the terms. so to say they only starting thinking about him after roy was signed isnt factual. and he trying to hype himself make a gimic. maybe he doesnt owe the fight but he shouldnt lie about things. why mention abraham when hes fighting hopkins joe last win? Because unifying divisions is important.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpGJrRTmTl0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzyYHSPfXZU - arum/warren http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG7M4aalKU8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmY9K2vXkDg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffwigze5kTs jones wasn't practically signed before they heard from arum. in one of those videos arum/warren discussing fight being made. warren said only thing stopping the fight was joe agreeing to the terms. so to say they only starting thinking about him after roy was signed isnt factual. and he trying to hype himself make a gimic. maybe he doesnt owe the fight but he shouldnt lie about things. why mention abraham when hes fighting hopkins joe last win?

Why? He is the 175 lb champion. Pavlik is the 160 lb champion who has made one title defense. If Pavlik can beat Hopkins impressively, then maybe he'll have some ground to call for the fight. Otherwise he should take care of Abraham the same way Calzaghe did with Kessler before there is any reasonable demand for him to fight Joe. I would not bother with the use of logic. Ill-advised in this case I'm afraid.

Exactly. Joe has been fighting for 16 years, made a fortune, and can retire any damn time he wants to. He owes Pavlik nothing. JC has also been fighting with a broken bone in his wrist on top of his other hand injuries since the Manfredo fight. If Joe doesn't have the hunger to fight after Jones, he has every right to retire without all this unfair criticism. Joe already beat 2 young undefeated SMW Champions (Lacy and Kessler) who were supposed to beat him and be the future of the division. Pavlik has yet to have 1 fight at SMW or LHW, and no right to demand a fight with Calzaghe. Pavlik has Kessler and Abraham to deal with.

Why? He is the 175 lb champion. Pavlik is the 160 lb champion who has made one title defense. If Pavlik can beat Hopkins impressively, then maybe he'll have some ground to call for the fight. Otherwise he should take care of Abraham the same way Calzaghe did with Kessler before there is any reasonable demand for him to fight Joe. I can feel your concern for Calzaghe's need to keep his undefeated record, I really do.:lol1: