i saw vid of marg getting knocked down hard, very hard, he was 21 years old. same as khan is now.
he is just a kid, give him time to mature ffs! gamboa is 26 and near his peak and he has been down 3 times in 11 fights...
judge khan in 4-5 years, not now.
i agree it is warrens fault.
if he was with top rank he would have a belt within two years.
Buddy Top Rank has proven over the years that they are by far the best promotional team when it comes to bringing along fighters. If he was with Top Rank, they would never have thrown him to the wolf so to speak. He'd be fighting 8 to 10 round fights. They'd move him up relatively slowly to allow him to grow into his body and as a fighter. He's still a fuckin kid man. Juan Diaz was as rare a case as you will see in this game. A 21 year old fighter is not known for becoming a World Class fighter that soon. Y because there still growing physically and especially mentally. Bottom line is Khan was not ready to take on such a challengine opponent, no matter how u look at it.
Not to mention the LW division is not what it was when Juan Diaz was 21 years young. Theres a mess load of great opposition within the division.
but marg has an abnormal chin, khan doesnt. thats what im getting at.
dont judge a fighter who is 21 years old, most people turn pro at 24+! pavlik was a nobody until he turned 26
But he turned pro at 18, and has been undefeated all the way through. He has met adversity, been hurt, stunned, knocked down, seconds from being knocked out, and always come back.
Most people turn pro at 24+? Okay, so lets look at todays champions.
Klitschko: 20
Haye: 21
Calzaghe: 22
Pavlik: 18
de la Hoya: 19
Margarito: 16
Hatton: 18
Pacquiao: 15
Marquez: 20
John: 18
Vasquez: 17
Hasegawa: 19
Mijares: 17
Donaire: 18
Solis: 20
Garcia: 20
Yeah so none of this Khan got an early start bullshit. Its not about him not having a strong chin, its about him having an exceptionally weak one.
You guys can blame trainers and promoters all you want, but Amir showed up to fight in great shape, made weight, and when it came down to it, it was just him and Breidis in the ring. It will always be JUST him in the ring as long as he is a fighter. You can wish that he wasn't matched with Prescott, so that he didn't get knocked the fuck out, but the point is that he did, it was a bad match for him yes, but HE got knocked the fuck out, NOT Jorge Rubio and NOT Frank Warren, but you can blame whoever you want for his failings.
Ok. .............So then who's to blame, Frank Warren. He's been known to hold his fighters back, to pad there records. So now He throws Khan in there with solid fighter, who is known to possess heavy hands and one punch KO power.
The bottom line is Warren went away from his normal strategy with fighters, Khan said he wanted the best, he put him in there with a fighter who he NORMALLYY wouldn't, its his fighters JOB to be absolutely prepared for everything else. YET, his fighter decides to try to bang with a Heave Handed fighter?!?!?!?!?!
The guy has a lot to learn and your right he's young, but he has not shown a great enough ability to say a Future World Champion. Not yet at least. Good young prospect yes, future World Champion, no.
If this was say Peterson instead of Khan what would u say about that?!?!
i agree it is warrens fault.
if he was with top rank he would have a belt within two years.
This is boxing. There's no need for excuses he got knocked out, and will most likely either run or get knocked out in a rematch. Scott is simply better than Khan, no matter how hyped Khan was. His jab was stiffer, feet movement better and came to show Khan how it's done!
without a doubt, much, much better prospect than peterson.
peterson is 23 and is fighting 10 rounders, khan at 21 has been fighting 12 rounders for a year now
WTF kinda theory is this?!!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Gabbage!
also i want you to think about 1 year ago, would it be fair to admitt a 25 year old is more mature and filled out more than you? would you feel a bit intimidated about fighting 29 year olds who have been boxing for much longer than you?
Ok. .............So then who's to blame, Frank Warren. He's been known to hold his fighters back, to pad there records. So now He throws Khan in there with solid fighter, who is known to possess heavy hands and one punch KO power.
The bottom line is Warren went away from his normal strategy with fighters, Khan said he wanted the best, he put him in there with a fighter who he NORMALLYY wouldn't, its his fighters JOB to be absolutely prepared for everything else. YET, his fighter decides to try to bang with a Heave Handed fighter?!?!?!?!?!
The guy has a lot to learn and your right he's young, but he has not shown a great enough ability to say a Future World Champion. Not yet at least. Good young prospect yes, future World Champion, no.
If this was say Peterson instead of Khan what would u say about that?!?!
You really think that Khan would beat Anthony Peterson?!?!?!?!?!
without a doubt, much, much better prospect than peterson.
peterson is 23 and is fighting 10 rounders, khan at 21 has been fighting 12 rounders for a year now
Agreed!!:boxing:
I mean, when he got dropped like that I jumped out my seat like "OOOO SHIT!" and thought he was out for 10. I couldn't believe he was up so fast, although he really should have stayed down for 8 to recover a bit.
I know, he needs to learn survival skills big time.
But to say no heart is silly, He was up at 3 after that KD against Prescott, I thought he was out for the count and he got up at 3. He should have grabbed or ran to survive, but he fought back and that shows heart.
Agreed!!:boxing:
Yah but T, maybe he should have grabbed or held on. You don't win titles becuase you decided to fight back and not be smart. You win titlesd with intelligence inside the ropes, as important as overall skill.
also i want you to think about 1 year ago, would it be fair to admitt a 25 year old is more mature and filled out more than you? would you feel a bit intimidated about fighting 29 year olds who have been boxing for much longer than you?
thats great, you have your opinion for the current moment but i'm not a fair weather fan who changes his mind all the time, khan has his vunerabilities (his chin) but he will still be a titlist and definitely beat peterson.
there is a big black cloud over everyones head at the moment with this loss and people have short memories, you're only as good as your last fight but khan will be back, im sure of it.
You really think that Khan would beat Anthony Peterson?!?!?!?!?!
Yah but T, maybe he should have grabbed or held on. You don't win titles becuase you decided to fight back and not be smart. You win titlesd with intelligence inside the ropes, as important as overall skill.
I know, he needs to learn survival skills big time.
But to say no heart is silly, He was up at 3 after that KD against Prescott, I thought he was out for the count and he got up at 3. He should have grabbed or ran to survive, but he fought back and that shows heart.
Khan will get beat by more then half of the division. He wouldnt beat any elite fighter in the LW division. He couldnt and wouldnt be able to even touch either Peterson brothers for that matter.
thats great, you have your opinion for the current moment but i'm not a fair weather fan who changes his mind all the time, khan has his vunerabilities (his chin) but he will still be a titlist and definitely beat peterson.
there is a big black cloud over everyones head at the moment with this loss and people have short memories, you're only as good as your last fight but khan will be back, im sure of it.
another case is pacquiao getting koed twice early in his career, ok we gather khan is not going to be on the level of mosley, odlh, mayweather etc but he will win a title.
Those were from low blows. One of his kos was because he was hit exactly in his dick region. Someone post that video up, its hilarious because pacman gets screwed out of a fight he would have won but they gave it to the guy who ko'd pac by getting punched in the dick :rofl:
Or the Gomez fight...
Or see how fast he jumped up after a HARD knockdown against Prescott. And did he run? no, Did he grab? no. He fought back, got stopped but even there he showed heart
Yah but T, maybe he should have grabbed or held on. You don't win titles becuase you decided to fight back and not be smart. You win titlesd with intelligence inside the ropes, as important as overall skill.
another case is pacquiao getting koed twice early in his career, ok we gather khan is not going to be on the level of mosley, odlh, mayweather etc but he will win a title.
Khan will get beat by more then half of the division. He wouldnt beat any elite fighter in the LW division. He couldnt and wouldnt be able to even touch either Peterson brothers for that matter.
he needs to watch limond fight
Or the Gomez fight...
Or see how fast he jumped up after a HARD knockdown against Prescott. And did he run? no, Did he grab? no. He fought back, got stopped but even there he showed heart
juan diaz was lightweight champion at 21 and showed more heart against nate campbell than khan will display in his entire lifetime.
If you think Khan has failed to show heart.....well...
wow...
Khan is a Tot.
another case is pacquiao getting koed twice early in his career, ok we gather khan is not going to be on the level of mosley, odlh, mayweather etc but he will win a title.