which Boxers are more open defensively

Argue with an idiot in public, and the public labels you in the same class as who you're arguing with. I'm going to use a political style departure, and just put it to you like that. too late you already resorted to calling me a moron because i proved you were talking nonesense and then you try and make out im a racist because my favourite fighters are white

you're a moron... -K me if you want, I really don't give a fuck. but that was just a stupid comment.... plus, I think you make other white guys like myself look bad...a top ten list of your favorite guys, all white dudes, with fucking punk assed litzau in there...that guy is going to end up a tomato can...and his name is next to tunney's? what the fuck? how old are you, man? am i not allowed to like White fighters does it mean im a racist ? :bottle:

it actually does make a small difference. because, if you think standing in the pocket bobbing and weaving around shots is easier than using movement and jabbing while floating around the ring, you're wrong...it's easier and less risky to float and fight at range...they are two different kinds of defense. I think if Klitschko would fight in the pocket and not move at all, he would be very 'open defensively' just because how he holds his guard. Ali was different- he utilized a guard against top world level opponents, bobbed, weaved, and slipped...You do not see Klitschko doing this. who cares whats easier if you dont get hit end of story

You and I were watching different things, Hamed wasn't great on defense but it was better than you are giving him credit for. And Eubank was probably the slickest British boxer outside of Michael Watson in the "Golden Age" of British boxing. We'll just agree to disagree. he was good at counter punching on the backfoot but he had a terrible defence when he was attacking he took to many risks and was wide open maybe that is why he got hit more later in his career because he started to believe in his power and was always on the attack where he was more open defensively Eubank took huge punishment that is why his career ended so soon yes we will have agree to disagree

yes because he was fighting cans good fighters make u pay Hamed and Eubank are the worst examples you could use for fighters with good defence You and I were watching different things, Hamed wasn't great on defense but it was better than you are giving him credit for. And Eubank was probably the slickest British boxer outside of Michael Watson in the "Golden Age" of British boxing. We'll just agree to disagree.

do you think ali and klitschko use a similar defense? does that make any difference if you dont get hit you are good defensively unless you are fighting fighters early in your career who are not good enough to take advantage of defensive flaws

Just watch Hamed's defensive style in his earlier days, it was much better than it was when he left the Ingles. Graham was past prime against Brewer, watch more of his fights. He was slick, Jackson caught him, what fighters don't get caught? The Calzaghe, Thompson and Collins fights were when he was past his prime, Watson was a very good fighter. yes because he was fighting cans good fighters make u pay Hamed and Eubank are the worst examples you could use for fighters with good defence

Hamed was fighting cans on his way up like most fighters do Graham got KTFO by Brewer and Jackson no more to be said Eubank sustained punishemnt to the body and head all through his career most notably in his fights with Watson ,Benn ,Calzaghe ,Thompson ,Collins he was a mess defensively and paid the price many times for throwing when he was off balance Just watch Hamed's defensive style in his earlier days, it was much better than it was when he left the Ingles. Graham was past prime against Brewer, watch more of his fights. He was slick, Jackson caught him, what fighters don't get caught? The Calzaghe, Thompson and Collins fights were when he was past his prime, Watson was a very good fighter.

Hamed in his earlier years actually kept his hands up and used good head movement and feints. Graham was putting on a boxing lesson against Jackson before getting hit by that shot, which was a Hail Mary desperation punch, before that Jackson hadn't caught Graham with anything. Eubank got off balance when he threw, not when he was on the defensive, he was very good at slipping shots and blocking them with his gloves. Hamed was fighting cans on his way up like most fighters do Graham got KTFO by Brewer and Jackson no more to be said Eubank sustained punishemnt to the body and head all through his career most notably in his fights with Watson ,Benn ,Calzaghe ,Thompson ,Collins he was a mess defensively and paid the price many times for throwing when he was off balance

Your definition was like this: "open defensively pertains to usage of a guard -based defense I assumed" In Ali's first reign he had a non-existent guard-based defense. But it really doesn't matter. We don't need to argue. I know that you don't think Ali was bad defensively. i dont know what that guy is talking about Bat the man not getting hit is not getting hit does it make any difference how you go about it if you dont sustain punishment then you must be doing something right defensively

LOL Hamed was awfull it became worse because his competition level improved Graham had a good defence Julian Jackson did'nt have much trouble hitting him with a wild hayemaker Eubank had an awfull defence and terrible balance just like most British fighters Hamed in his earlier years actually kept his hands up and used good head movement and feints. Graham was putting on a boxing lesson against Jackson before getting hit by that shot, which was a Hail Mary desperation punch, before that Jackson hadn't caught Graham with anything. Eubank got off balance when he threw, not when he was on the defensive, he was very good at slipping shots and blocking them with his gloves.

Where you get that from? Can Klitschko stand on the ropes and take abuse like Ali could? Could Klitschko stand in the pocket and avoid shots like Ali? No...Klitschko relies on offense and speed/footwork and ring generalship to not get hit, not defensive maneuvers in close like Ali was capable of. Your definition was like this: "open defensively pertains to usage of a guard -based defense I assumed" In Ali's first reign he had a non-existent guard-based defense. But it really doesn't matter. We don't need to argue. I know that you don't think Ali was bad defensively.

why are all your favorite fighters white Black boxers have the ability of instantaneous movement. are you talking to me ?

It's not like British fighters in general have bad defense. Hamed had pretty good defense before he fell in love with his power but I agree, his defense became worse as his career went on. Guys like Eubank, Watson and Graham had good defense in general. LOL Hamed was awfull it became worse because his competition level improved Graham had a good defence Julian Jackson did'nt have much trouble hitting him with a wild hayemaker Eubank had an awfull defence and terrible balance just like most British fighters

All brawlers are by default, cuz they don't care if they get hit.

when I think of a great defensive fighter I think of a guy who can stand in the pocket with someone who can punch and not get hit. klitschko doesnt do that. well i think of a good defensive fighter as a guy who does'nt sustain punishement and that is Wladimir Klitschko whether you appreicate the way he does it or not

well Froch and Witter ,Haye have bad balance aswell as a bad defence just like Hamed is it a coincidence they are all British It's not like British fighters in general have bad defense. Hamed had pretty good defense before he fell in love with his power but I agree, his defense became worse as his career went on. Guys like Eubank, Watson and Graham had good defense in general.

open defensively pertains to usage of a guard -based defense I assumed klitschko never gets hit we know this but he doesn't use a guard, but like you said footwork long arms and offense to not get hit. Of course it depends on definition. :thinking: With the definition you assumed, Muhammad Ali would have the worst defense in boxing history.

when you are talking about fighters that sell out when they punch and leave themselves wind open you are talking about Haye ,Witter,Froch

Is it just a coincidence that the boxers you listed are British? Ricardo Mayorga Brian Vera well Froch and Witter ,Haye have bad balance aswell as a bad defence just like Hamed is it a coincidence they are all British