How bad would Kessler beat Calzaghe in a rematch?

You are such a fool Kris go of and have a cry somewhere you will feel better , reverting to mindlessly searching for out of context quotes to try and win a debate is a very desperate measure and a very big show of immaturity . You loose.

Some key RodBarker quotes; I think a large number of you guys are pompous pricks that have this inbuilt attitude that they are better. Kesslers Power not even close to Kellys overall power. I am one of the least biased posters. You loose. you are Brit pumping up and defending Brit fighters , how can I be bias when I dont care where a fighter comes from. there is too much plastic people in the world. 85% of people in this world are full of bullshit. young people need to be real about more things. Kessler is one dimensional Every fighter is one dimensional to their own style and its wrong to say a fighter is one dimensional because he is upright and punches straight. When I say UK in a boxing sense I mean Wales Ireland and Briton. The consensus is most Brits nuthugg their own fighters. You go find out about SADS syndrome , its about you more than me . Your a paranoid pom I know heaps of Aussies I wouldnt piss on if they were on fire. Oils aint oils , we have changed a lot in 200 yrs . I wont compromise when Im right.

One of the least biased posters , get it right stupid there are quite a few on the board your not one of them , you find things insulting to you and your tactics is to gather support so you say others , your a typical weasel that likes to bushwack posters that are in debate with some body else , you've done it many times , and ironically the subject is always Calzaghe or British based and its always another Brit you side with , why is that , your as transparent a screen door Kris with your Brit bashing paranoid bleeding heart . Drivel. No point saying anything else, bar repeating; I'll happily bet with you on the outcome of Calzaghe Pavlik if it ever happens.

Oh Kris your a sorry sod , Im a betting man that will put my money where my mouth is and like other people that like a wager you win some you lose some thats the risk you take , concerning Joe I would not bet on the Jones fight but if Kelly fought him I would bet on Pavlik , by the way I won 400 giving 2 to 1 odds with a guy at the gym that Cal would beat Bika so dont give me your British bashing garbage , your such a paranoid fucker it really gets in the way of having a discussion with you because you wear it like a babys bib . Rod, you hate Calzaghe, and I think you should just admit it. I can summarise virtually every post you've ever made on the subject as: "Calzaghe is a bum, fought bums, and would lose to any decent opponent he ever faces." That's fine, you are entitled to your opinion, but I really wish you would stop pretending it was outright fact, because it isn't and in reality, the facts are against you. Calzaghe keeps winning, against opponents you pick to beat him, is the recognised #2 boxer on the planet and holds titles in two divisions. If you must endelessly argue with Calzaghe fans on the merits of Calzaghe as a boxer, at least acknowledge that in terms of serious boxing opinion, you are in the minority. Many on these boards may agree with you, but it isn't smart to conflate the opinions of a message board with the opinion that you are right. I have no problem with you thinking whatever you want to think, but do stop being so righteous about it, and realise that your opinion whatever its merits in your eyes, is one that goes against the majority opinion about Joe Calzaghe.

Oh Kris your a sorry sod , Im a betting man that will put my money where my mouth is and like other people that like a wager you win some you lose some thats the risk you take , concerning Joe I would not bet on the Jones fight but if Kelly fought him I would bet on Pavlik , by the way I won 400 giving 2 to 1 odds with a guy at the gym that Cal would beat Bika so dont give me your British bashing garbage , your such a paranoid fucker it really gets in the way of having a discussion with you because you wear it like a babys bib . I'm not paranoid I just don't respect your posts because you act like your whiter than white, say your the least biased poster on here and talk like some kind of statesmen. I find all of these things insulting to other posters, arrogant and pompous. You bashed the British people as a whole in a thread showing a clear dislike and bias against them. You bring a person being British and supporting Calzaghe into the equation all the time un-necessarily. You don't compromise and spurt on like your the all seeing eye with the big knowledge bible and rule book. How comes you won't bet on the Calzaghe Jones fight, Joe overrated or Roy past it? If Joe does ever face Pavlik I'll happily bet you on the outcome.

if they where to fight at any time within the next year or year and a half i think joe wins because he is that good. joes adaptability won him his fight with kessler he took away his jab and didn't let kessler set up his other more powerful shot (this si something tht hopkins will try and to with pavlik as well imo), he also went to the body once as well and relied on his speed and timing to confuse mikkel with different punches from different angles. joe that night was facing a tough, stronger, bigger, younger fighter and one who had showed that if joe wanted to trade leather mikkel could do that as well and come close to matching his speed. in order for mikkel to win as someone else said joe has to get old - if joe loses that slight edge in speed maybe just maybe mikkel can start beating im to the punch and joes counter punching may be less effficent then as well. i think kessler would have or should have learnt alot from the fight with calzaghe, he'll know now what is required to beat the elite level fighters its one thing beating belt holders like mundine and beyer but the eilte level (p4p level) is different. mikkel should be on tat list and he knows now how much he need to put in if he is to come away with the credit that his talent justifies. if theres one thing that has disappointed me about mikkel so far is that he has to prove he has a fighters heart he has to chase the big fights and chase his opponents. vs calzaghe he just ddn't have that drive and grit that joe had, joe found another gear in their fight and mikkel was left for dead. that lack of heart has been apparent in the fights he has been linked with as well since their meeting mikkel has only really been linked with miranda but it looks as though he ducked out of that (understandably so mirandas is dangerous and mikkel was coming of a loss), but why didn't he pursue someone else like froch, taylor, lacy, bute at SMW. whats more mikkel is big at SMW in fact hes ****in huge!!! i think he could quite easily make LHW - in fact even at SMW his power is enough to rival the top fighters. why not chase a fight with fighters like glen johnson, dawson, tarver, erdei, clinton woods etc. hich brings me onto my last point if joe and mikkel where to fight at SMW i can see joe taking a SD, however if they were to fight at LHW and kessler had good conditioning and a good training camp then i can see kessler getting even stronger. now that might be a bit of a problem for joe - especially since joe himself doesn't put any muscle mass on when he fights at LHW (so as not to lose his handpseed), i can still see joe taking the SD but imo kessler would be alot more dangerous at this weight for joe. ________ MAZDA RX-5 SPECIFICATIONS

He wouldn't beat him in a rematch.

If they were to fight right now I don't think it is any different. Maybe Joe wins easier because he doesn't need to find the formula all over again. Kessler didn't show me that he had an answer to the movement and punch volume Calzaghe threw at him and I haven't seen anything different from him yet to suggest he would be able to make the necessary adjustments to counter that kind of fight plan that Joe would no doubt bring to the table. As people have already said though, Joe is showing a few signs now and in 12 or 18 months he may not be able to sustain that kind of style in which case I think Kessler would be able to boss the fight behind his very good jab and right hand and probably win a decision.

Ok so it kessler first high profile fight and against his best test. How bad would he beat joe in a rematch? He just had an off night like everyone does. Joe Calzaghe will never lose. Kessler will never lose if he never has to fight Calzaghe again.

I'll take it a step further, Kesslers trash. I will say this tho, We Americans buld our fighters up the same way (Lacy etc.) We give these guys way to much credit off fighting nobody, then when they lose everyone screams overrated, when in actuallity they shouldnt have been rated that highly in the first place. You are shockingly dumb. I really don't think you like boxing at all. This post seems to suggest that there are actually no good boxers on earth. What in your opinion do you have to do to be a 'good boxer' and not 'trash'. I'm envisoning a fighter who KOs everyone on the P4P list, fighting at every weight in the sport?

If you know boxing, you can't honestly watch Pavlik and Kessler and conclude that Pavlik is as good. If you know boxing, you can't honestly watch Pavlik and Kessler and conclude that Kessler is the tougher, more determined guy. Being better technically doesn't always win fights. Kessler will beat Taylor if JT has the balls to fight (he's already ducked him, and will avoid it at all costs) When did Taylor duck Kessler? Do you have a source? I like Kessler but he needs to show some initiative and make another big fight after this Sartison/Haussler bullshit. Right now it looks like he doesn't have the drive to fight the guys he needs to fight in order to be considered "great."

calzaghe is still showing me good things. he has a sort of a craft that a young joe didn't have. just using all his tools and angles at this stage. and early joe was a banger and i'm not sure if he would be too successful if he still had that style he still has good years to come if keep fighting. not being biased against joe, i can't see anyone beating him. he beat kessler, a man whom i met and even watched train for his fight with anrade and i though he couldn't be beat. good point. kessler is 1 of the cleanest punchers around at the min. but still i cant see anyone beating calzaghe. just wnt happen. hes that damn good.

I'm not blown away by any of the three to tell you the truth. Taylor digressed after he fought Hopkins (even tho I didnt think he landed shit in those fights anyway) Pavlik will be outboxed and probably busted up soon. Calzaghe fans big up Kessler to make Joey look look better. Naw, it's the other way 'round. Calzaghe haters make Kessler out to be a 1 eyed village idiot so they don't have to admit that Calzaghe isn't the same. Before the Calzaghe fight, Kessler was thought to be at least in the top 3. Now, to hear those who hate Calzaghe tell it, he was never more than a club fighter with a good promoter. Kessler/Pavlik would be a great fight. If Pavlik managed to not get caught early and be KO'd, he'd stand a good chance of a decision, if he is in his usual great shape. Kessler/Taylor would be humiliating for Taylor. He'd leave in an ambulance. Kessler's style is ALL wrong for Taylor and he should never take this fight.

Hmmm, does me a little. I mean I could see Mikkel doing better overall and troubling Joe more I really could. But he fought his fight the best he could. If he went in with plan b's in a way he might not be quite as instinctive or effective. I could even see him confusing himself as it's not his natural self. It's not like Calzaghe will get confused with a new style he'll relish in it. It might seem obvious to say he was very versatile so I should have been more to stand a chance at winning. But in a way taking a guy on at what's he's best at can be the worst thing you can do. Place a re-match in Copenhagen or some place neutral, and add the fact that Joe's gotten older and Kessler has gotten wiser and has had his usual 130+ rounds of sparring before a big fight. These are issues that might change the outcome IMO.

No off-night. Just a broken hand. I would consider that an off night lol

I pretty much agree on this. Of course I believe that Kessler might win a re-match but that's probably no surprise. Hmmm, does me a little. I mean I could see Mikkel doing better overall and troubling Joe more I really could. But he fought his fight the best he could. If he went in with plan b's in a way he might not be quite as instinctive or effective. I could even see him confusing himself as it's not his natural self. It's not like Calzaghe will get confused with a new style he'll relish in it. It might seem obvious to say he was very versatile so I should have been more to stand a chance at winning. But in a way taking a guy on at what's he's best at can be the worst thing you can do.

Kessler would lose again. Like the announcers were sayin that night, he didn't make mistakes or fight the wrong fight. Kessler gave his all and his best wasn't nearly good enough.

You've provided info on Mikkels hands and stuff before and it's been very insightful and appreciated. I think it was you whom posted some pictures of his hand, he has a funny large knuckle. Thing is though, in his own words the hand didn't bother him much in the fight. Not sparring much before the fight effects different fighters in different ways. Personally I think it's all relative. Joe couldn't spar much before Lacy and he still put on a top performance. He also has permanently fragile hands meaning he can't hit as hard as he once could. He had Mikkel hurt once even, so what if he didn't have brittle hands and could have hit that and other shots harder? It's all speculation. I do respect fighters for fighting through any amount of adversity though, but Roy Jones and Danny Williams winning with entirely fucked arms is on another level. I don't think going much further is warranted based on everything, because Mikkel doesn't cite his lack of sparring or hand as the reason he lost, he himself cited the reason being him not having a plan b, or c. He's totally right, with lots of sparring that wouldn't have been much different. Calzaghe beats most guys on his versatility and being able to adapt which he did perfectly with Kessler, so it's no exception imo. A rematch this November would probably see a slightly less rusty more versatile Kessler winning another couple of rounds though, so close fight. I pretty much agree on this. Of course I believe that Kessler might win a re-match but that's probably no surprise.

Kessler's hand was surgically repaired after the Calzaghe fight. Kessler said the hand didn't bother him in the fight as it had received treatment. It's still a fact that he didn't spar in the lead-up to the fight. Draw your own conclusions as to how big an impact not being able to spar has on the outcome of a fight. Here's what Graham Houston recently said before Kessler's fight with Sartison: "Mikkel Kessler returns to the ring on Saturday night in his first bout after losing to Joe Calzaghe. It is also Kessler’s first fight since the Dane had surgery on his right hand. His promoter, Mogens Palle, confirmed to me that the rumours going into Kessler’s fight with Calzaghe were all too true — the right hand had indeed been injured in training. The fact that Kessler was competitive while fighting under a handicap made his performance against Calzaghe a highly commendable one, even though he lost widely on the scorecards." Here he is at the hospital on Nov. 15 2007. http://http://www.mikkelkessler.com/pics/upload/Mikkel_Kessler-Opereret.jpg You've provided info on Mikkels hands and stuff before and it's been very insightful and appreciated. I think it was you whom posted some pictures of his hand, he has a funny large knuckle. Thing is though, in his own words the hand didn't bother him much in the fight. Not sparring much before the fight effects different fighters in different ways. Personally I think it's all relative. Joe couldn't spar much before Lacy and he still put on a top performance. He also has permanently fragile hands meaning he can't hit as hard as he once could. He had Mikkel hurt once even, so what if he didn't have brittle hands and could have hit that and other shots harder? It's all speculation. I do respect fighters for fighting through any amount of adversity though, but Roy Jones and Danny Williams winning with entirely fucked arms is on another level. I don't think going much further is warranted based on everything, because Mikkel doesn't cite his lack of sparring or hand as the reason he lost, he himself cited the reason being him not having a plan b, or c. He's totally right, with lots of sparring that wouldn't have been much different. Calzaghe beats most guys on his versatility and being able to adapt which he did perfectly with Kessler, so it's no exception imo. A rematch this November would probably see a slightly less rusty more versatile Kessler winning another couple of rounds though, so close fight.

Wrongly underrated Calzaghe once, perhaps that's not the only time or area you do. You've bashed and dislike the British, routed and bet against one for that reason. You go with your heart not your head. Kessler is great, he could have, and would have a slightly better performance against Joe. But any time in the next 18 months he still loses. There was nothing in that fight that called for a rematch hence no one has. Mikkel probably did have some injuries with his hands but he sure hasn't spoken out about it much, why? I certainly don't think his hand was totally, or seriously broken. He had no real problems throwing very hard shots with both hands. Calzaghe can't do so because of his longterm hand fragile hands. So I don't think Kesslers condition was a massive factor in the outcome of the fight. He'd still lose in a similar fashion. Kessler's hand was surgically repaired after the Calzaghe fight. Kessler said the hand didn't bother him in the fight as it had received treatment. It's still a fact that he didn't spar in the lead-up to the fight. Draw your own conclusions as to how big an impact not being able to spar has on the outcome of a fight. Here's what Graham Houston recently said before Kessler's fight with Sartison: "Mikkel Kessler returns to the ring on Saturday night in his first bout after losing to Joe Calzaghe. It is also Kessler’s first fight since the Dane had surgery on his right hand. His promoter, Mogens Palle, confirmed to me that the rumours going into Kessler’s fight with Calzaghe were all too true — the right hand had indeed been injured in training. The fact that Kessler was competitive while fighting under a handicap made his performance against Calzaghe a highly commendable one, even though he lost widely on the scorecards." Here he is at the hospital on Nov. 15 2007. http://http://www.mikkelkessler.com/pics/upload/Mikkel_Kessler-Opereret.jpg