RJJ has fought better fighters then Calzaghe before, Joe hasn't

You choose what you want to hear or consider vladimir, dismissing what doesn't fall in and around your negative opinion on the matter. One cannot be too credible when they do not take on board and accept some of the pro's of a boxer they dis like, and only rant on about what they think in the face of being given info surrounding it. Joe always wanted Hopkins, Hops backed out of a fight with Joe years ago. Hops would only take it at LHW in America, and that's what Joe did. So you criticise him for not travelling and fighting at different weights even then most others are more guilty of this, then criticise him for doing exactly what you say he should do. Even if it is too late in your view, he still did it. No one looks good beating Hops, he beat him the LHW #1, which you admit yourself. Hopkins was coming off wins to Winky Wright and a top LHW in Tarver at post 40. Earlier you said Calzaghe's he's not a good LHW I'm pretty sure, now that he did beat the LHW #1, so which is it? i agree hops demanded double money demands or something like that back then. but you cant say Jones ducked Calzaghe, its pretty clear if Jones beat calzaghe back then Calzaghe would have been forgotten about and would have been another 'nobody' Roy fought.

Same thing goes who Mayweather, who the fuck has he beat? Castillo was a nobody until he fought Floyd and because he beat Floyd in the first (Floyd got win) that's how he got his name. Corrales was an overrated one dimesional puncher. Oscar had 1 fight in the last two years and was coming in off a knock out loss. Judah loses to everyone. Who else?

The days before you turned your entire profile into a Calzaghe pornsite with Joe leprecon avatars and signatures? In those days I used to care what people thought of me. I've lost my self respect!

Do you remember when I used to try and hide it? The days before you turned your entire profile into a Calzaghe pornsite with Joe leprecon avatars and signatures?

Some are just better at hiding it then other eh. Or it it that one chooses to ignore them when it supports his agenda and opinion. Do you remember when I used to try and hide it?

I just had a real interesting chat with Stickman about this in my 'Best In The World' thread. My views are basically split on the issue. On the one hand I could easily see Jones keeping his distance and picking Joe off, something like he did to Hopkins. Stickman pointed out to me though that Roy was never as smart as Joe in the ring and that since Joe's whole thing is to outsmart his opponent and find the style that they can't handle then he might well do the same to Jones. My suggestion was that perhaps Joe might simply back Roy up constantly and just whether the storm of shots. I'm sure you think thats impossible, and well it might be, but I'm sure you can see what I'm talking about. That's exactly what I said. He'd have to fight outside of himself. He's have to be something he's not. And in the midst of that, he'd get caught.

You choose what you want to hear or consider vladimir, dismissing what doesn't fall in and around your negative opinion on the matter. One cannot be too credible when they do not take on board and accept some of the pro's of a boxer they dis like, and only rant on about what they think in the face of being given info surrounding it. Joe always wanted Hopkins, Hops backed out of a fight with Joe years ago. Hops would only take it at LHW in America, and that's what Joe did. So you criticise him for not travelling and fighting at different weights even then most others are more guilty of this, then criticise him for doing exactly what you say he should do. Even if it is too late in your view, he still did it. No one looks good beating Hops, he beat him the LHW #1, which you admit yourself. Hopkins was coming off wins to Winky Wright and a top LHW in Tarver at post 40. Earlier you said Calzaghe's he's not a good LHW I'm pretty sure, now that he did beat the LHW #1, so which is it? Boy you do go on. I don't even know what to respond to. Once again there is a question at the end of your longwinded post and if I only answer that you will accuse me of not addressing your entire post. I will say it once again, Joe could have came to America just like Ricky Hatton and gotten big fights but he didn't want to. Is Hopkins, a undisputed middleweight champion or Jones, a undisputed light-heavy champ at their prime supposed to take a WBO title holder like Calzaghe seriious calling them out all the way from Wales while fighting undeserving mandatories???? I don't think so. You want the big fights, you come to America like Lennox Lewis did and you will get the Holyfields and the Tyson's. Now you are starting to bore me with your novel-esque posts. Next!!!!

I will not go into detail about every one of your stupid lil points in detail since I could care less if some teenager gives me a Red K saying "haha you're a idiot lol". I addressed your main point and covered everything. Spare me the statistics of Calzaghe. We all know he is 45-0, 20+ title defenses, #2 p4p blah blah and that he holds a victory over Hopkins. Nobody denies that. And as far as him fighting in Denmark and other places. He has over 40 fights in the UK out of 45. My point remains the same.......he made a calculated move to light-heavy after a decade when he smelled an oppritunity to take on a 43 year old, inactive foe and he still looked like shit and barely won a split decision, although it was a clear decision since Hopkins had no offense left after the 5th round. You choose what you want to hear or consider vladimir, dismissing what doesn't fall in and around your negative opinion on the matter. One cannot be too credible when they do not take on board and accept some of the pro's of a boxer they dis like, and only rant on about what they think in the face of being given info surrounding it. Joe always wanted Hopkins, Hops backed out of a fight with Joe years ago. Hops would only take it at LHW in America, and that's what Joe did. So you criticise him for not travelling and fighting at different weights even then most others are more guilty of this, then criticise him for doing exactly what you say he should do. Even if it is too late in your view, he still did it. No one looks good beating Hops, he beat him the LHW #1, which you admit yourself. Hopkins was coming off wins to Winky Wright and a top LHW in Tarver at post 40. Earlier you said Calzaghe's he's not a good LHW I'm pretty sure, now that he did beat the LHW #1, so which is it?

I respect Stickman's opinion as highly as anyone on these boards. He demonstrates quite a depth of boxing knowledge and picks the outcome of fights with uncanny accuracy. He also has no agenda that I can discern. That's why I listen to him. Some are just better at hiding it then other eh. Or it it that one chooses to ignore them when it supports his agenda and opinion.

You didn't even quote let alone address everything else I said which mostly ironically answers what you go onto say in that post. See you do just go on whining yourself taking nothing on or saying anything new, so what's the point? I will not go into detail about every one of your stupid lil points in detail since I could care less if some teenager gives me a Red K saying "haha you're a idiot lol". I addressed your main point and covered everything. Calzaghe is #1 at two weights, so your wrong when you say 1, factually. If you think he lost to BHop your wrong, Hops was the #1 and most favored no other LHW to beat him. So get over it. He also didn't just stick in Wales, he fought in hostile crowds in England, Scotland, (different countries which you probably don't appreciate) Denmark and America once, soon to be twice. More than Roy Jones or Hopkins. So that arguments largely fucked too. Spare me the statistics of Calzaghe. We all know he is 45-0, 20+ title defenses, #2 p4p blah blah and that he holds a victory over Hopkins. Nobody denies that. And as far as him fighting in Denmark and other places. He has over 40 fights in the UK out of 45. My point remains the same.......he made a calculated move to light-heavy after a decade when he smelled an oppritunity to take on a 43 year old, inactive foe and he still looked like shit and barely won a split decision, although it was a clear decision since Hopkins had no offense left after the 5th round.

What do I want? Nothing, I'm simply stating that Rjj has faced better fighters then Calzaghe. I'm simply stating that Joe is a one-divisional fighter that isn't capable of competing and being as successfull just 7 pounds up at light-heavy (forget heavyweight) as he was at super-middle, with the kind of skills he brings to the table. There is a reason why he chose to stick it out in Wales with a WBO title, fighting undeserving mandatories for the majority of his career. And it aint because he didn't have no other options. He, his father and his promoter knew his limitations as a fighter. Plan and simple. You didn't even quote let alone address everything else I said which mostly ironically answers what you go onto say in that post. See you do just go on whining yourself taking nothing on or saying anything new, so what's the point? Calzaghe is #1 at two weights, so your wrong when you say 1, factually. If you think he lost to BHop your wrong, Hops was the #1 and most favored no other LHW to beat him. So get over it. He also didn't just stick in Wales, he fought in hostile crowds in England, Scotland, (different countries which you probably don't appreciate) Denmark and America once, soon to be twice. More than Roy Jones or Hopkins. So that arguments largely fucked too. Fighting at more weight classes might be a great achievement but their not every fighters goals or styles, and most from around SMW size do not end up going up to HW. It's a rare occurence so can't be used to criticie the numerous other elite boxers out there really. Not taking anything away from Roy, but it's had negative impacts on his career too, such as being less of a fighter and losing, where others whom stuck to weight would not have. Christ I've just repeated this to you pretty much. Take something in for once.

The same Stickman who said Calzaghe might beat a prime Roy and would beat a Hagler and Hearns. I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Rjj is very smart, it might not look that way with his showboating style but he is very knowledgable. He is not Paulie Malignaggie or Cory Spinks potshotting from the outside doing the same thing all night either. He has fought guys on the inside before, standing right next to them and they couldn't hit him. I respect Stickman's opinion as highly as anyone on these boards. He demonstrates quite a depth of boxing knowledge and picks the outcome of fights with uncanny accuracy. He also has no agenda that I can discern. That's why I listen to him.

I just had a real interesting chat with Stickman about this in my 'Best In The World' thread. My views are basically split on the issue. On the one hand I could easily see Jones keeping his distance and picking Joe off, something like he did to Hopkins. Stickman pointed out to me though that Roy was never as smart as Joe in the ring and that since Joe's whole thing is to outsmart his opponent and find the style that they can't handle then he might well do the same to Jones. My suggestion was that perhaps Joe might simply back Roy up constantly and just whether the storm of shots. I'm sure you think thats impossible, and well it might be, but I'm sure you can see what I'm talking about. The same Stickman who said Calzaghe might beat a prime Roy and would beat a Hagler and Hearns. I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Rjj is very smart, it might not look that way with his showboating style but he is very knowledgable. He is not Paulie Malignaggie or Cory Spinks potshotting from the outside doing the same thing all night either. He has fought guys on the inside before, standing right next to them and they couldn't hit him.

If Roy Jones was the same Jones who dominated 3 weight divisions, you wouldn't be thrilled. Trust me. If they met any time before 2004, Roy would have outclassed Calzaghe. That's because they fight similair. And when you have two guys with similair approaches, the one who does it better will dominate. Joe would have gotten knocked out trying to fight outside himself. I just had a real interesting chat with Stickman about this in my 'Best In The World' thread. My views are basically split on the issue. On the one hand I could easily see Jones keeping his distance and picking Joe off, something like he did to Hopkins. Stickman pointed out to me though that Roy was never as smart as Joe in the ring and that since Joe's whole thing is to outsmart his opponent and find the style that they can't handle then he might well do the same to Jones. My suggestion was that perhaps Joe might simply back Roy up constantly and just whether the storm of shots. I'm sure you think thats impossible, and well it might be, but I'm sure you can see what I'm talking about.

Roy's faced tougher comp, but He ain't beatin Joe C easily at this point in his career.

Toney is good and all but it's only because of his style that he could do well against the big boys, he wasn't all that at Middle-Light Heavy and lost to people he shouldn't have. Because he blew up in weight and underperformed as he did plenty of times at heavyweight. Still doesn't change the fact that he is a great skilled fighter capable of being effective from 168 all the way up to 200. I love how people presume a prime Toney is a SMW, you mean the Toney who looked like a deer in in headlights against Jones? And yes like RJJ's song says "They say I am fighting nobodies, I just make em look like nobodies". Still doesn't change what Toney accomplished AFTER Rjj defeated him.

Big if. You know, I do hope I'm wrong about Jones being shot, I will love it if we get a competitive fight, I'm just not sure we will. If Roy Jones was the same Jones who dominated 3 weight divisions, you wouldn't be thrilled. Trust me. If they met any time before 2004, Roy would have outclassed Calzaghe. That's because they fight similair. And when you have two guys with similair approaches, the one who does it better will dominate. Joe would have gotten knocked out trying to fight outside himself.

Most folk agree prime Roys better than anyone he's faced before, but not now. Now your spiralling onto Toney as if everyone must go to HW to be great. Your just mumbling. What do I want? Nothing, I'm simply stating that Rjj has faced better fighters then Calzaghe. I'm simply stating that Joe is a one-divisional fighter that isn't capable of competing and being as successfull just 7 pounds up at light-heavy (forget heavyweight) as he was at super-middle, with the kind of skills he brings to the table. There is a reason why he chose to stick it out in Wales with a WBO title, fighting undeserving mandatories for the majority of his career. And it aint because he didn't have no other options. He, his father and his promoter knew his limitations as a fighter. Plan and simple.

That remains to be determined on Nov, whether a prime Roy would've been needed to take home a victory. If prime Kesslers and Lacy's can't defeat Joe and a 40 year old Roy does get the W, then my point is proven. Big if. You know, I do hope I'm wrong about Jones being shot, I will love it if we get a competitive fight, I'm just not sure we will.

You're an idiot. I won't lower myself to arguing with idiots. I hope you have fun winding everyone else up though. Oh I forgot, you're such a great elite poster. I'm not worthy.