One thing you will never hear anyone say about Kelly Pavlik...

The 2nd fight. Abraham beat the cunt with a broken fuckin jaw. Aura of invincibility my arse! Abraham was never approached for Pavliks next fight. Williams, Winky and Hopkins were. Arthur was willing to put aside his trinket belt to fight Miranda the second time, why would he care about keeping it if he has the chance to beat the linear champ and make a truck load more cash??? Reading your posts is as much fun as rubbing my face in a big pile of cow dung.

yeah i dont need someone telling me he doesn't punch hard i can see from the feminine way he throws punches. Uncalled for. Anyways, limp wrists make excellent maylay weapons.

But maybe a little bit accurate? Whatever makes you feel better.

Even from the likes of Manfredo which I thought was quite funny at the time , Joe has never been rated a hard puncher from anybody but his fans , Bika told a friend of mine personally that Joe dont hit hard at all he described Joe as a spoiler . yeah i dont need someone telling me he doesn't punch hard i can see from the feminine way he throws punches.

One thing you will never hear anyone say about Joe Calzaghe "he hurt me"

Pavlik also mentioned Calzaghe's name immediately after his fight with Lockett, in the post-fight interview, which was well before Enzo was dead-set on Jones. So your comment about Kelly not chasing Calzaghe until the RJJ fight was settled on also isn't entirely accurate. But maybe a little bit accurate?

Hadn't heard that, I hope he means it. Pavlik also mentioned Calzaghe's name immediately after his fight with Lockett, in the post-fight interview, which was well before Enzo was dead-set on Jones. So your comment about Kelly not chasing Calzaghe until the RJJ fight was settled on also isn't entirely accurate.

Now that's just stupid. Well technically you could say God was just protecting him from getting exposed. God didn't want to make the same mistake he did with adam and eve. Look what happened to them when they stepped up.

Hadn't heard that, I hope he means it. yeah he does he's not like calzaghe who says he wants to fight someone then retires.

From http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mcneil/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/121834651410860.xml&coll=1 "I want to be undisputed middleweight champion then move on up," Pavlik said. "I could go back down to 160 pounds. If the fight opens up with Arthur Abraham, everyone is demanding that right now. "It's good going up to 170 right now; I'm not killing my body trying to make 160 back-to-back. So when I go back down to 160 it will be a great fight with Abraham. He is the big name out there right now besides Calzaghe and Hopkins." Hadn't heard that, I hope he means it.

Actually, Joe was on the radio last night saying that Pavlik has ducked him twice, once when Jow wanted him as a tune up instead of Bika and another time after one of the Taylor fights, didn't say which. So whether its true or not, you do hear people say it. Please realise as well that its only since Joe made it clear he was going to fight Jones that Kelly's people have been saying he wants Calzaghe. I think right now Pavlik is pretty much ducking Abraham, I haven't heard a word about the Armenian out of his mouth since Arthur decimated Miranda, and straight after Lockett when Max Kellerman basically told him that Abraham was his only meaningful fight, Kelly basically said he wasn't going to fight him. From http://www.nj.com/columns/ledger/mcneil/index.ssf?/base/columns-0/121834651410860.xml&coll=1 "I want to be undisputed middleweight champion then move on up," Pavlik said. "I could go back down to 160 pounds. If the fight opens up with Arthur Abraham, everyone is demanding that right now. "It's good going up to 170 right now; I'm not killing my body trying to make 160 back-to-back. So when I go back down to 160 it will be a great fight with Abraham. He is the big name out there right now besides Calzaghe and Hopkins."

Now that's just stupid. Well technically you could say God was just protecting him from getting exposed. God didn't want to make the same mistake he did with adam and eve. Look what happened to them when they stepped up.

its pretty much understood pavlik is willing to fight abraham. the plan was originally pavlik has a fight while he waits for abraham to fight his mandatory then they go at it in 2009. Then theres a possible opening for pavlik to fight calzaghe so he takes it... because pavlik made it clear he wants to fight calzaghe before anyone else. And by the way i would rather see pavlik fight abraham then calzaghe it would be a much better fight

I hope you realise that if Calzaghe is telling the truth that makes it even worse.Why would he want Pavlik when he was an unproven comodity at the time and now that he has proven himself against an elite fighter in Jermain{regardless of what you say}he says "Pavlik is not worthy".If it is true why would they want a fight with him back then when his status wasn't as high and then when he is a champion they say "Kelly is not worthy" the words that came out of Enzos mouth.What made him a challenge back then? Pavlik has mentioned in a recent interview that he dreams of a fight with Abraham.This was after the Miranda fight.Why would Pavlik get flustered about seeing Abraham do what he has already done to Miranda?Kelly has never ssaid he was not going to fight him so I don't know what your talking about. Had he fought Kelly after Lacy, it would have been a tuneup fight, Kelly had no rep beyond being a fairly decent prospect, but would probably have been a bit better a tuneup opponent than Bika for attracting some American attention.

He wanted Pavlik as a tune-up. Why didnt Arum offer Abraham a deal then? Or offer his mando step aside money? pavlik wants joe as a tune up but joe keeps running. just take your beating and money and retire joe. your a great man.

I hope you realise that if Calzaghe is telling the truth that makes it even worse.Why would he want Pavlik when he was an unproven comodity at the time and now that he has proven himself against an elite fighter in Jermain{regardless of what you say}he says "Pavlik is not worthy".If it is true why would they want a fight with him back then when his status wasn't as high and then when he is a champion they say "Kelly is not worthy" the words that came out of Enzos mouth.What made him a challenge back then? Pavlik has mentioned in a recent interview that he dreams of a fight with Abraham.This was after the Miranda fight.Why would Pavlik get flustered about seeing Abraham do what he has already done to Miranda?Kelly has never ssaid he was not going to fight him so I don't know what your talking about. CHECK OUT THIS LINK http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203282 He wanted Pavlik as a tune-up. Why didnt Arum offer Abraham a deal then? Or offer his mando step aside money?

Actually, Joe was on the radio last night saying that Pavlik has ducked him twice, once when Jow wanted him as a tune up instead of Bika and another time after one of the Taylor fights, didn't say which. So whether its true or not, you do hear people say it. Please realise as well that its only since Joe made it clear he was going to fight Jones that Kelly's people have been saying he wants Calzaghe. I think right now Pavlik is pretty much ducking Abraham, I haven't heard a word about the Armenian out of his mouth since Arthur decimated Miranda, and straight after Lockett when Max Kellerman basically told him that Abraham was his only meaningful fight, Kelly basically said he wasn't going to fight him. Pavlik waited till Joe was over the hill to fight him. :lol1: I sound like an ignorant Jones or Hopkins fanboy

Joe was on the radio last night saying he was god. i believe him! No-one appears to doubt a word that comes out of Bob Arum's mouth on this subject.

Actually, Joe was on the radio last night saying that Pavlik has ducked him twice, once when Jow wanted him as a tune up instead of Bika and another time after one of the Taylor fights, didn't say which. So whether its true or not, you do hear people say it. Please realise as well that its only since Joe made it clear he was going to fight Jones that Kelly's people have been saying he wants Calzaghe. I think right now Pavlik is pretty much ducking Abraham, I haven't heard a word about the Armenian out of his mouth since Arthur decimated Miranda, and straight after Lockett when Max Kellerman basically told him that Abraham was his only meaningful fight, Kelly basically said he wasn't going to fight him. Joe was on the radio last night saying he was god. i believe him!

word around boxingscene is that Pavlik ducked Williams