Calzaghe/Pavlik vs Hopkins

I'm favouring Hopkins. So i'd give him shit loads of credit.

It was never said a Calzaghe SD is more impressive than a Pavlik KO. Pavlik KO would be more impressive, but however, far more likely for Pavlik. He commonly gets KO's whereas Calzaghe commonly gets UD's. That's all. I'd give full credit to Pavlik if he KO'd Hopkins, and it's definitely note worthy no one else has. There's not been many times if any though, where a KO of Hopkins has been so likely though, because of everything considered and Pavliks style, power and KO ratio. A great win regardless though. Ok, just making sure. Because yes Joe fights to score pts and PAV fights to KO (not the best way, but it gets the job done 90% of the time). But IMO the fact that HOP has never been KO'ed means a lot. I think if ANY guy KO's HOP it is a BIG BIG deal. Of course as time goes on it might be more likely that HOP could get KO'ed but I don't think HOP will fight to the age where we will see it. But anything can happen. Anyway I think if PAV beats HOP it will mean a lot no matter how he does it, especially if he KO's him and IMO, if he does that it is BY A MILE better of a win than what Calzaghe did or didnt do in there fight.

You mean to tell me that NO ONE has EVER KNOCKED B-HOP OUT?????? Man, you would think if PAV KOed him it would be a pretty BIG deal? No matter what, some will agree that Joe's SD will be better of a win than a KO if PAV did in fact KO HOP. It was never said a Calzaghe SD is more impressive than a Pavlik KO. Pavlik KO would be more impressive, but however, far more likely for Pavlik. He commonly gets KO's whereas Calzaghe commonly gets UD's. That's all. I'd give full credit to Pavlik if he KO'd Hopkins, and it's definitely note worthy no one else has. There's not been many times if any though, where a KO of Hopkins has been so likely though, because of everything considered and Pavliks style, power and KO ratio. A great win regardless though.

A big thing you failed to mention Bhop has never been stopped not even close , if Kelly does it its a big deal especially as he is 160 champ and it will scare the fuck out of Joe to the point that I dont believe Joe will fight him if he is impressive against Bhop , Kelly is bad ass youth against these old guys I dont think you can just out finesse him and get a win he is just to hard and aggressive there is no bullshit in Pavlik , I will be the first to admit it if Kelly doesnt shine , but I believe he will . You mean to tell me that NO ONE has EVER KNOCKED B-HOP OUT?????? Man, you would think if PAV KOed him it would be a pretty BIG deal? No matter what, some will agree that Joe's SD will be better of a win than a KO if PAV did in fact KO HOP.

Joe Calzaghe stepped up in weight to put his undefeated record on the line against a tough, proven veteran. Pavlik is about to do the same. I wonder how different the reactions from Americans will be. Apparently Joe beat a washed up old man. Will they say same about Pavlik? (If he even wins) Hey there MAte let's point out that Joe won over Hopkins by a close split decision and B Hop landed Joe on his back side early on....If Pavlik fails to beat Hopkins it doesn't prove anything for Joe. In my book if Joe wants to be a legend killer he has to fight beat Jones by Ko or landslide....If Pavlik can beat Hopkins but either stop him or win by large margin it still doesn't prove anything but what we already know styles make fights.....Joe needs to get in the ring with Kelly and maybe Tarver before he can say he is a legend killer....Lefty

Is this a question, really? Anyway, Pavlik might actually lose. Pavlik won't lose, Hopkins is old as the hills and will gas after being hit so hard for so many rounds. He might even knock him out, that's what Pavliks goal is. A Prime Hopkins could be differen't

Joe Calzaghe stepped up in weight to put his undefeated record on the line against a tough, proven veteran. Pavlik is about to do the same. I wonder how different the reactions from Americans will be. Apparently Joe beat a washed up old man. Will they say same about Pavlik? (If he even wins) No, it depends on how he wins if he does at all. It will be, WELL PAV BEAT HOP BY KO or UD while JOE BARLEY BEAT HIM BY A SAD SD. Truth.... Of course if he beats him by a SD, that would just mean he's just as good as calzaghe or at least what people will say. Anyway That's what we will see if it goes down with PAV winning. I like both guys and I only want PAV to win because he's the up and comer while HOP is out the door. This is a good fight for PAV, he will be tested and if he passes, Joe better watch himself. PAV will be looking for a fight that Joe might not want to take depending on how and IF PAV wins.

stepped up in weight to fight a lifelong middleweight who's only been at light heavy for 2 fights. and calzaghe lost to the smaller man. at least when hopkins fought smaller dudes he knocked them out(obviously calzaghe can't knockout anyone). calzaghe got embarrassed. hopkins has beaten tarver, winky, and calzaghe in his last 3 fights. if pavlik beats him(for real not calzaghe style) then he will get his respect. You are the exact type of moron the thread starter was aiming at. I'm no Calzaghe fan, but at least i respect the man and his accomplishments.

Joe Calzaghe stepped up in weight to put his undefeated record on the line against a tough, proven veteran. Pavlik is about to do the same. I wonder how different the reactions from Americans will be. Apparently Joe beat a washed up old man. Will they say same about Pavlik? (If he even wins) stepped up in weight to fight a lifelong middleweight who's only been at light heavy for 2 fights. and calzaghe lost to the smaller man. at least when hopkins fought smaller dudes he knocked them out(obviously calzaghe can't knockout anyone). calzaghe got embarrassed. hopkins has beaten tarver, winky, and calzaghe in his last 3 fights. if pavlik beats him(for real not calzaghe style) then he will get his respect.

If Pavlik loses he can kiss his match against Calzaghe goodbye. This is a huge risk for Pavlik, even if Arum took the fight as a deserved 'payday' for Kelly. This could prove fatal, i wouldn't be sure of a Pavlik win as Hopkins is still a top contender in the Light-Heavy division. I hope Kelly is aware of what Hopkins can possess. Also, if Hopkins wins, Calzaghe has only few options left after RJJ, with Tarver or Dawson being the frontrunners (if he beats Roy). If Roy loses, he needs to get a fight with Bernard on and call it a career.

thats whats up......i like you man!i said the same thing yesterday,i think the Pavlic fanboys are underestimating on how much of a spoiler Hopkins can be ! I think Pavlic will be to one dimensional for Hopkins ,but in saying that you all ways gotta give Kelly a punchers chance!

It is a genuine question, I honestly cannot wait to see what the reaction is if Pavlik were to beat Hopkins. If I were to be totally honest, I don't even have Pavlik winning against Hopkins, Pavlik is too one dimensional for a fighter as smart as Hopkins. After seeing that Hopkins is able to floor Calzaghe at his current age, I wouldn't be suprised to see Hopkins win by stoppage either. thats whats up......i like you man!

You should be a politition they get well paid for side talk , my assessment is black and white real yours is about defending Calzaghe lackluster performance , the fact is against Bhop Kelly is taking a much bigger step than what Joe did in the same fight and in all areas , weight , experience and class of opponents and you said if Kelly gets a UD or a KO its similar to Joes scrap home , that sir is a crock no matter how you spin it ! I'm just saying there's more to it, then simply a KO or UD win is better all round than another guys decision win. It's not like everythings the same in comparing, there's lots more to consider. In polls on here there wasn't much different in the voting of Calzaghe winning vs Hopkins, vs Pavlik beating Hopkins. The way ppl voted as to how either would win was naturally different however, reflecting the styles of all 3 fighters. The power of Pavlik and his high likelyhood of KO's, versus Calzaghes speed and accuracy for more likely decision wins and not KO's because of much less power. Calzaghe wins decisions with speed and accuracy. Pavlik wins with power and and KO's. Again, pretty sound well known things. So it's not radical to predict a Pavlik KO far more likely and more easily achieveable for Pavlik than for Joe. Think about it. It's as much criticising Joe as it is Kelly, it's purely looking at the strengths and weaknesses in which they win fights. Horses for courses.

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One word, Keeley One day I will marry her. Hell i'd be happy with her taking a dump in my mouth. Am easy to please.

Mate he got decked as clean as a whistle there is no argument , I thought Joe won but was not impressive and I,ll say it again if Pavlik KOs Bhop its a infinitely more impressive win than Joes over Bhop , now by your reasoning that Kelly is easy for Joe then Bhop should beat Kelly easy , :) we will see . No argument from me, if Pavlik KOs Hopkins of course it's better. Won't happen though. I think we have a misunderstanding on the word 'decked' you mean the KD don't you? Here in the UK its a common euphamism for 'beaten up'.

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Dont try and baffle me with bullshit , bottom line if Kelly can KO Bhop its a better win than Joe by a country mile . Nice, so you reply again without actually taking on board or responding to any of the points made. Again, what I said are short, reasonable well known factors. You can run and hide from them all you want but all it shows is an un willingness to fairly weigh up the known factors of wins for different fighters with different styles, scenarios, in different fights. Fighter A does not = fighter B. So their wins against fighter C have to be weighed up considering styles, age, tactics, previous performances, usual winning style, power, speed and more. If you can't accept such a basic thing as this in comparing boxers then your incredibly simplistic in your assessments.

Never went away mate. You sure can, but I think you might be sipping Reed's Red Bulls lately though!?! I'm a Calzaghe fan and love pictures of boxing, but I miss the wide range of nipple erecto's in your avatars. Am looking for a suitable sig as we speak, one that will meet the standard requirements.....Nice tits and an arse.

The abadger and KrisSilver tag team is back in the swing. Can i join in to make it a threesome? (Slight homo) Never went away mate. You sure can, but I think you might be sipping Reed's Red Bulls lately though!?! I'm a Calzaghe fan and love pictures of boxing, but I miss the wide range of nipple erecto's in your avatars.