As a Pavlik fan, I am not ashmed to say....

Pavlik may lose to hopkins i dont think he will but he could. But win or lose pavlik still knocks out calzaghe easy.

I'm in the camp that thinks a younger Hopkins could/probably would defeat this incarnation of Pavlik, but the reason that I don't think he will likely defeat Pavlik at this point in time can be summed up in two words: WORK RATE. i think that work rate/pavlik coming forward will result in counter punches. Which as we know OldHop is pretty good at

I'm in the camp that thinks a younger Hopkins could/probably would defeat this incarnation of Pavlik, but the reason that I don't think he will likely defeat Pavlik at this point in time can be summed up in two words: WORK RATE.

oh yeah vic was totally improved! lol. same shit, in front of a different fighter who laid down. go watch some fights, and learn something. you know fuck all. whatever, i'm done with you. your a fucking moron. you just proved your boxing intelligence in front of BoxingScene

Bro your gonna sit here and say, in front of allllll these viewer, the the Vic who fought Donaire and the Vic who fought Kirilov was the same fighter? Vic has improved everything........speed/defence(alittle bit lol)/combo's/boxing smarts/dtermination/motivation. The Vic who fought Donaire get KTFO by Mijares/Montiel/and Donaire AGAIN! The Vic who fought Kirilov actually has a chance against those three, he might not win, but he has a very good chance. And don't teach me about america bitch I was born and raised in the USA. oh yeah vic was totally improved! lol. same shit, in front of a different fighter who laid down. go watch some fights, and learn something. you know fuck all. whatever, i'm done with you. your a fucking moron.

because here in america i can say what i like. thats why. vic is trash. aside his power he is garbage! don't like it? to bad! Bro your gonna sit here and say, in front of allllll these viewer, the the Vic who fought Donaire and the Vic who fought Kirilov was the same fighter? Vic has improved everything........speed/defence(alittle bit lol)/combo's/boxing smarts/dtermination/motivation. The Vic who fought Donaire get KTFO by Mijares/Montiel/and Donaire AGAIN! The Vic who fought Kirilov actually has a chance against those three, he might not win, but he has a very good chance. And don't teach me about america bitch I was born and raised in the USA.

WTF those vanesboxing have to do with this? And I like the way YOU yourself decide if your comments were SSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO cool you put a 'owned' smily.....LOL fucking retrad, way to tap yourself on the back. Second of all, Vic isn't my hero, nor is he my favorite fighter in fact there are 4 ppl in front of him ranked as my favorite fighters. Second of all you got the red K because what you said was completely ludacris. Like I said Vic isn't better then Mijares or Montiel, or maybe even Donaire but he isn't trash buddy. I give a red K to anyone who lets bias into a boxing conversation. Why can't you talk real hommie? Just because you hate him as a personality doesn't make him trash. He has decent speed, he's the most powerful JBW, and he has a lot of heart. Now your opinion can be he has NO defence, No boxing skill, but he has POWER, and his speed/combo's are OK.................................................instead you "TRASH" because here in america i can say what i like. thats why. vic is trash. aside his power he is garbage! don't like it? to bad!

please stop making yourself look dumber. yeah, you are a bitch because i said your hero is trash, and your cried, and left the red k. that's a bitch vanesboxing!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bryce::owned: WTF those vanesboxing have to do with this? And I like the way YOU yourself decide if your comments were SSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOO cool you put a 'owned' smily.....LOL fucking retrad, way to tap yourself on the back. Second of all, Vic isn't my hero, nor is he my favorite fighter in fact there are 4 ppl in front of him ranked as my favorite fighters. Second of all you got the red K because what you said was completely ludacris. Like I said Vic isn't better then Mijares or Montiel, or maybe even Donaire but he isn't trash buddy. I give a red K to anyone who lets bias into a boxing conversation. Why can't you talk real hommie? Just because you hate him as a personality doesn't make him trash. He has decent speed, he's the most powerful JBW, and he has a lot of heart. Now your opinion can be he has NO defence, No boxing skill, but he has POWER, and his speed/combo's are OK.................................................instead you "TRASH"

your opinion is he is trash...............lol 'trash'? you are a very intelligent boxing fan buddy. :op: Anytime you wanna see me talk face to face, then we'll see who makes the bitch moves please stop making yourself look dumber. yeah, you are a bitch because i said your hero is trash, and your cried, and left the red k. that's a bitch vanes!!!!!!!!!!!! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bryce::owned:

BTW king asshole, thanks for the red k because i said vic was garbage. that is the biggest bitch move i have seen. best part is, you never respond to my post, but just leave neg. fucking clown. you tell me to have some respect because i stated my opinion?. fuck you bitch. your opinion is he is trash...............lol 'trash'? you are a very intelligent boxing fan buddy. :op: Anytime you wanna see me talk face to face, then we'll see who makes the bitch moves

I really think you guys need to consider how old Joe will be if and when a Pavlik fight gets made. You are acting like Pavlik is highly overrated and a fight with him would be an easy win for Joe, which may be tru now, but Joe will have aged a fair bit more I would think by the time that fight may happen and his speed and stamina advantages may be nowhere near as palpable then. This is true, he ain't immortal. However, surely you don't begrudge me exaggerating the case a little, I have to have fun somehow.

I really think you guys need to consider how old Joe will be if and when a Pavlik fight gets made. You are acting like Pavlik is highly overrated and a fight with him would be an easy win for Joe, which may be tru now, but Joe will have aged a fair bit more I would think by the time that fight may happen and his speed and stamina advantages may be nowhere near as palpable then. i can agree here. i really hope the fight with pavlik happens, and it should be huge. i think if they fight at 68 it's a better move as well. to me joe was slower at 75, and pavlik is not gonna do as well powerwise at 75 either imo. 68 is where they need to fight.

I really think you guys need to consider how old Joe will be if and when a Pavlik fight gets made. You are acting like Pavlik is highly overrated and a fight with him would be an easy win for Joe, which may be tru now, but Joe will have aged a fair bit more I would think by the time that fight may happen and his speed and stamina advantages may be nowhere near as palpable then. That's my only worry. I think the Jones fight will tell us a lot.

But surely the more hype the funnier the final result? None of us should ever forget the pure comedy gold that was Jeff "LOL" Lacy. I really think you guys need to consider how old Joe will be if and when a Pavlik fight gets made. You are acting like Pavlik is highly overrated and a fight with him would be an easy win for Joe, which may be tru now, but Joe will have aged a fair bit more I would think by the time that fight may happen and his speed and stamina advantages may be nowhere near as palpable then.

Close SD will do me nicely, as long as Calzaghe - Pavlik happens. I'd rather Pavlik didn't blast him out of there because it would be an unbearable 4 months of Pavlik being hyped as the next Roy Jones Jr before judgment day. But surely the more hype the funnier the final result? None of us should ever forget the pure comedy gold that was Jeff "LOL" Lacy.

Me too! Go Kelly Pavlik! Close SD will do me nicely, as long as Calzaghe - Pavlik happens. I'd rather Pavlik didn't blast him out of there because it would be an unbearable 4 months of Pavlik being hyped as the next Roy Jones Jr before judgment day.

you make threads like this, but your pussy hurts when someone says you overrated boyfirend vic is garbage? yeah, you got no credibility now fucker! what a punk you are! http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198676

Even tho he's old, it's wrong to say Bernard has no chance at all. But I don't see him winnin this fight. He won't KO Kelly, and he won't be busy enough to win by decision.

i don't think kelly will be able to land clean on hopkins. and i'm sure hopkins doesn't think kelly will land clean on him either, as there is NO way he would take the fight if that was the case. hopkins MUST think it's a great matchup for him....and i'm not going to second guess his judgement. however after saying that....my prediction is that a frustrated kelly wins a decision on workrate alone (similar to hopkins vs taylor).

I want Kelly to win this. Me too! Go Kelly Pavlik!