This thread is driven based on all the Margarito love and Cotto hate after the tremendous fight that they had this passed weekend.
If you lose heads up, do you think it makes the winner the better boxer.. period?
Yes or no?
Vote. Discuss.
-Margarito -
Better Brawler
Harder puncher
Better stamina
Better chin
More Will
Very determined
-Cotto-
Better technical skills *(better boxer)*
faster
MUCHO MUCHO GRAnde HEART
Better footmovement
Cotto may be the better boxer.
ALL THAT MATTERS is the OUT COME = Margarito WON the FIGHT saturday.... period.
Personally, my philosophy is that while winning doesn't make you the better boxer, it does make you the better of the two. In the sense that you had what it took to come out victorious. Which, at the end of the day, is what it all boils down to, barring certain types of fights.
False, you cant always determine who's the better overall boxer by head to head matchups. Sometimes a boxer just has your number. There have been several boxers like Margarito who have lost to boxers with lesser careers but the other boxers faded into obscurity while champs like Margarito rose to the top. At the end of the day it's up to each boxer to create their own legacy.
As far as the matchup between Cotto and Margarito is concerned, Margarito won the head to head matchup between the two and if he wins a rematch against Williams, he would easily eclipse Cotto as the better overall boxer with the bigger career accomplishments regardless of boxing styles.
But isnt boxing more about the ability to win a boxing match than about throwing the most elegant and most technically sound punches?
If a pressure fighter comes out slugging and beats up a so called better boxer, hasnt the slugger shown really good boxing? I think he has ...
No, there have been many instances throughout the history of the sport where the better boxer has lost to someone who is not as good a boxer, it doesn't make his opponent the better boxer, a better fighter, a better puncher or the better man on the given night but not a better boxer.
agreed 100%
Usually.
Toughness, a chin, endurance, all this stuff is also part of a boxer, so it also makes you a better boxer. The only thing is that A doesnt have to be better than B just because he beats him. Maybe B beats all the guys who are able to beat A, but A is just a bad style matchup for B.
As soon as this fight was made I predicted Tony would win, not cuz he's the better boxer in terms of skill cuz he's clearly not. It's cuz he's tougher and hungrier than Cotto. This ain't the first time a good boxer has lost to a guy wit inferior skills to him. Hell, Mayo beat Vernon 2 times.
Cotto quit. End of story, Margarito is the better boxer
Actually, he took a knee. His corner essentially threw in the towel. You'd realize this if you weren't being close-minded.
Furthermore, this was ONLY sparked by the fight. It wasn't only referring to it. Just fights in general that play out like this.
That depends. In some cases it does and in other cases in doesn't. For example, Frazier beat Ali but that does not mean that he is a better fighter. It meant that he was the better man that night. With all due respect to Frazier of course, he is a true legend.
A one dimsensional pressure fighter could beat a slick elusive pure boxer 1000 times, but it doesn't mean he is a better fighter becuase style makes fights. In some ways, it could very well mean that the fighter is better. For example, Margarito beat Cintron twice and he IS a better fighter than Cintron is. So, it could work both ways but i would personally say no. Hope that made sense.
I think you can have a fighter better then a boxer and a boxer better then a fighter.
Margarito is better fighter then Cotto.
Cotto is a better boxer then Margarito.
If that makes any sense. I would say that a heads up match up doesn't always end with the more talented fighter winning, but that doesn't change fact that the better Margarito won the fight and Cotto won the boxing match, to bad it was a fight.
No, there have been many instances throughout the history of the sport where the better boxer has lost to someone who is not as good a boxer, it doesn't make his opponent the better boxer, a better fighter, a better puncher or the better man on the given night but not a better boxer.
no cotto is a far superior boxer...margarito has an iron chin bags of heart and stamina wen it comes to boxing fundamentals and skills cotto as far superior...margo deserved that fight im not hating but i dnt think there is and argument for margo being the better BOXER.