Mayweather NEVER GAVE A (SH1T) about the WW divison. BUT the WW division needed him 2

If you actually cast your ballot the way it's shown in your sig then you ****ed up and your vote probably didn't count. You're just supposed to draw a straight line between the black bars.

I've already answered this question and you ignored it when I made the DLH comparison. Was Mayweather ever a big puncher? No. Is he roughly the same height as most other WW's (Zab, Clottey, Berto, Cotto)? Yes. Has he lost a significant amount of hand and or foot speed? No. Is he still ripped and in peak physical condition? Yes. When he did fight a decent welter (judah) did he not show more than enough ability to compete at that weight? Yes he did. Add these things up and you can come to the easy conclussion that he is now a natural welter. And to top it all off, he choose to fight there so any argument about him not being a natural 147 is null and void. I've never expected him to fight every top fighter at that weight, but I don't think its unreasonable to ask for him to make some of those fights and prove his worth at that weight. He has not done that. That isn't hate, its fact. I know this thread is old but I wanted to prove how stupid Jab Logic is, that another poster even point the ludicrous perspective Jab has on fighters... Jab thinks if you can make the weight of 147 by the time of the fight, then you are a natural WW..???:pat: And he wants to call me Not Rational in another thread. Jab get your shit together. Get my shit together? You think because someone agree's with your take on things that makes you right? I could dig up hundreds of posts with people diagreeing with your sorry perspective. With people calling you out on your lies. Feel like answering some questions, or are you going to duck them because debating me isn't your "natural" division? How do you rank Floyd one of the greatest featherweights when he never fought there? How do you figure Floyd is a top 5 all time lightweight when he only fought at that weight 5 times and arguably lost one of two to the best fighter he faced there? How Do you rank Floyd "top 10 all time" at 140 when he fought there a total of 3 times against guys who won't or shouldn't get in the hall of fame? How did Floyd "trademark" fighting in the pocket and the shoulder roll defense? Come on, get your shit together. Im gonna love hearing all the nuthugging bullshit you try to spew or watching you backtrack on your lies. Im sure I'll be waiting indefinetly, but I'll be waiting.

dude i just read this entire thread. And you are basically saying that Mayweather is not at a disadvantage at WW. and that everything is equal I seen Mayweather in person. The guy is basically the same size as Pacquaio, because i have also seen pacquaio in person. With that said. what else more can be said, but keep up the good work. It is nothing nobody can tell you to change that perspective & Logic you have But going by that logic I dont even know why we have even have weigh in's in boxing.because if a life long Middleweight could make 147 for one day which is only a 13 pounds to lose he can now say he is a WW, and fight against Naturally smaller fighters. Instead of fighters his own size. and Bully a whole division...Which is not right. from a competitive stand point I know this thread is old but I wanted to prove how stupid Jab Logic is, that another poster even point the ludicrous perspective Jab has on fighters... Jab thinks if you can make the weight of 147 by the time of the fight, then you are a natural WW..???:pat: And he wants to call me Not Rational in another thread. Jab get your shit together.

Nobody fights like Floyd. His skills were phenomenal to watch. Floyd's critics were sick of him not going for the ko, and now the majority of the fights we fans get are slugging matches, one armed fighters hyped to no end, Arum's stable of fighters fighting in fights where their opponent is no match, or a money fight that fills Arum's pockets. Good Point, What I also Notice right After The Cotto/Margarito Fight. Was How People really started to unknowly appreciate Mayweather skill,Class, and greatness even more. For example, Even when Margarito is the Height career with his win over cotto. People could not just let it be Margarito's Night. The very first Question was Could he beat Floyd...? And then the arguments began.... Think about that, Even at the Highest Point in Margarito's Career when he has basically become ruler of the WW division, he is still look at as number 2 in people's eyes compare to Floyd and so is every other boxer in Floyd's Generation. You can not say who is the greatest Fighter in the past 25 years Without Mentioning Floyd and be taken seriously. Amazing right? Boof what does that tell you from a naked perspective as a human being about the importance of Floyd.... I have said this before It's like THIS,you got Floyd who has risen to the status of running the whole sport of boxing. He has been knocking out and beating all the previous fighters to challenge him. And Now he runs the sport. He is now been sitting fat, and making WAY TOO MUCH money, and really talking shit to anybody who would listen. He has set his aura of invincibility So High that People now want to see him beat at all cost and in effect they have given Floyd status that even some legendary fighters never gotten. Floyd has become what he always wanted to be. A Legend while still capable of being active and young

Max Kellermen misses Floyd....:luvbed:( U CAN TELL) HE SPENT 8 SECONDS TALKING ABOUT Oscar ducking Margarito and and the rest of his commentary focusing on Floyd. He should of used more of his criticism for Oscar instead of Floyd. You think he would focus on a fighter who is still active, instead of a fighter who is retired... WHY DO PEOPLE GIVE OSCAR A PASS....!!!!

By contrast, what will Cotto sell in his next fight? Or margarito? Or hatton? Not you, but it is amazing to me how some people allow their hate to override clear, factual data or logical thought. Have I mentioned that I hate that Dog Whisperer guy? First of all, let's get this cleared up. You don't need to mention that. Everyone hates him. Especially dogs. Cotto will still get have his ceiling set at about somewhere near 350-400,000. Hatton, if you count U.K. sales is VERY popular. I count them, due to the fact that it still pays him. So, he gets a good 600,000 or so. I could be wrong, since his next fight IS Malignaggi, however he could sell out an arena over there if he took a shit in a shoe box. Margarito is a tough number to count to. His only other PPV bombed, but at the same time, this was before his major cable and PPV exposure. Before his Cotto fight and before he was able to make every Mexican a little money and incredibly proud and happy. Mexicans reward their fighters, right or wrong. He could do a solid 250-300,000 with the right opponent. Now, I never said any of these guys is the bigger draw, compared to Mayweather. I'm just saying he could have and should have capitalized on that De La Hoya fight a bit more, in my humble opinion.

He was helped to this extent: Can you envision a fight of Floyd vs (insert any top fighter) that doesn't do massive numbers? 700K+? What would be your projection for Mayweather-margarito? Oh, trust me. I get what you're saying. I'm not arguing that. What I'm saying is, at this point, he's only had one fight. He could be promoting his second by now. At least. If his career stays at where it's at, he'll have used this to his advantage in only one instant. That would be sad, for his sake. I think all of his fights would do well, numbers wise. They'd still have to have SOME name, but they'd do very well. He's a big enough draw at this point. But, he could be making more money at this point. If money is the name of his game, he could technically begin losing that once those big fight checks stop rolling in. Regardless, I don't blame him for getting out. No money at 140 or 154 and 147 isn't his division. Not in the sense most people think it is. Not to say he'd lose to ANYONE in those divisions with any certainty, however there are risks without the BIGGEST reward. However, to make the counter to the risk/reward thing and to answer your question... I think Margarito/Mayweather at this point would break the American numbers that Mayweather/Hatton did.

It turned off so many fans that later that year, mayweather was able to sell another 850K?? And in case you didn't know, 850K domestically is very high. You have a great point....if only it was true. Or made sense. I guess that a little less than 2million people who payed to see Floyd's first fight were not interested in seeing his second.

It turned off so many fans that later that year, mayweather was able to sell another 850K?? And in case you didn't know, 850K domestically is very high. You have a great point....if only it was true. Or made sense. I don't think that it turned off a lot of people. Most people, EVEN CASUAL FANS, knew the fight was gonna be tactical. However, I don't think it really made the sport any better either. Gave it a peak, and helped Mayweather. Which is nice, but at the end of the day.. Mayweather capilatized off of that with only one fight. So, even he wasn't TREMENDOUSLY helped AFTER that fight. Not compared to what he could have made.

This fight is one of many that people said didn't live up to the hype. I don't go by hype. Did anyone watching this fight think that we would get 2 sluggers fighting, or 2 top of the line boxers. I'll watch a Floyd-Dlh type fight over a Margs-Cotto type fight any day of the week. And that's your preference. Nothing wrong with that, but im sure that "casual" fans, nor many boxing fans in general will see it the same way u do.

You don't get it. First off, just worry about what you are concerned about, don't worry about what I or anyone should be. This is about as assinine a thought that I have read in a while. Get over your hang up of Floyd, and try being a fan for once. If boxing had a pension plan I could see your point. I know too many boxers who aren't making money who are my friends to not give a !~#!#$ what they make. That's the problem. U are looking at it from a boxers perspective. U have to understand that they chose that field. Its not as if they were forced into fighting. If that was the case, then i would be as sympathetic as u are. Im a fan, and i look at the sport from a fans perspective.

How do you know? This fight grossed the most money in boxing history. But did it live up to the hype? Do u honestly feel that the casual fans who tuned in to 24/7 every week, and got all hyped up by the pre-fight antics, were all satisfied at the end of the fight? I highly doubt it.

Please. This is your imagination. You are only saying this only because the results are in already lol. Uhhhhh.. Yes, that's what I was implying. If you READ what I wrote, you would realize that. I said.. if FANS KNEW which fight would have been more exciting, I think it would have been a bit more watched. It'd called a hypothetical.

You should care because big fights are what attracts new fans and keeps the sport alive and thriving. Exposure is a pretty accurate predictor of the future of the sport. Think back to what was happening with hockey ten years ago, and where it is now. now, reflect on what was happening with MMA and where IT is now. If you are a fan of the sport, you would want it to grow and flourish. If you have some semblance of intelligence, you would understand that having big, mainstream events ae the vehicle to growth. Floyd/Oscar was as mainstream as it get, yet it sucked ass, and turned many fans off who paid to see it. Yes it was a big mainstream fight, but was it a fight that brought new fans to the sport? I dont think so.

You should care because big fights are what attracts new fans and keeps the sport alive and thriving. Exposure is a pretty accurate predictor of the future of the sport. Think back to what was happening with hockey ten years ago, and where it is now. now, reflect on what was happening with MMA and where IT is now. If you are a fan of the sport, you would want it to grow and flourish. If you have some semblance of intelligence, you would understand that having big, mainstream events ae the vehicle to growth. At the same time, you would hope that the fighters fight in tough fights. Fans want to see the fights that are going to bring the most action. As an example. If Mayweather/De La Hoya and Cotto/Margarito are fighting in the same big ass room and you have 100 fans, in the room. Now, both rings are on opposite ends of the ring, I have a feeling that WITH CASUAL FANS, you'll get a 60/40 split, with 60 going to watch the Cotto/Margarito fight. Though, I will concede that Mayweather/De La Hoya would get more interest in the first place, at the end of the day casual fans aren't important because they're smart. They think, big name means great fight. If they had the choice, however, knowing which fight was better, I think they'd usually go for the more entertaining fight.

Yeah, as fans we DO want to see entertaining fights. Be prepared because all fights won't be entertaining. Boxers want to be paid well for the risks that they take. What you just said was not only selfish, but carelessly said, and not thought out fully. Boxers want main stream appeal. Boxers want to participate in great and exciting fights, but they don't want to be paid peanuts to your satisfaction. Where did i ever say that boxers shouldnt be paid well? I wish ALL boxers can make milions on top of millions, but at that same time, that should not be of our concern. As i've stated several times before, boxers have advisors, lawyers, promoters, managers, etc.....to worry about all of that for them. I dont know about u, but i watch boxing to see competitive, entertaining bouts. I can give 2 shits about how much he is or isnt making. Seems to me that ONLY Floyd fans have that mentality.

Then why were NONE of those fights mainstream? Why were NONE of those fights mega-fights? As fans of the sport, why should we care how "mainstream" they were? They were all good entertaining fights. As fans, that's all we should care about.

Go take a spelling class, and get off of welfare. You can't talk boxing here. Fans have knowledge here. Heh, heh, heh! Didn't take long for you to prove me right again, did it? :crackhead

Piece and neither???????? I" before "e" except after "c" dumbarse. You spell, piece wrong, spell either right, and then n-either wrong lol. I've already proved you liar 100x over. Now I've reduced you to correcting my grammer on a boxing board. Something you say you never do. I've also correctly stated that when you have no more answers that you start flame wars. Funny, but it looks like I am right again. I'll also go out on a limb and predict that you will respond to this post with more lame insults and lies. Either way I win. If you respond, you just prove me right. If you don't, lol, I save the board from reading one less crappy post of your. Now run along :crackhead and have a nice day!

The Ww division didnt need Floyd. Look at the great show Tony and Cotto just put on. Cotto and judah, Cotto and Mosley, Tony and PW, the WW doesnt need a superior athlete like Floyd who ducks and dodges all the true players in the division. You got your moner Floyd, no get the hell on and kick rocks. Good ridance. Lets see now who the true champ is at WW. One like tony who will defend it against all and win lose or draw at least we can say he didnt duck anyone. Good for you Tony.