Morales? Quitter? Arguello? No Heart? Kostya? Coward?

:fing02: I figured as much. Every question you asked I had already answered in this thread....

get.....over....it :fing02: I figured as much.

I just seen a few people insult Morales and call him a quitter on another thread. Was what he really did that bad? He gave it all he got , he didn't have anything else , he just got knocked down for the 2nd time......what was the point of getting up again? I've also seen Arguello do the same in the Pryor fight. I read someone post so many bad things about Kostya too and how he ended his career on the stool. They're not the only ones...... there have been plenty of greats who have "QUIT". I'm sure each of us can name a few more. Me personally? I don't hold anything against them for this. If you're beat , if you have nothing left , what's the point of getting beat up some more? Thoughts? Opinions? Discuss. ...I'm not surprised that you feel this way, because it's very easy to "quit"...as a matter of fact, it's not frowned upon in the USA anymore...but 50 years ago if you quit no one wanted any part of you... Kabuki Joe

Are you just pulling my leg? yes. :D

carlos lewis is a very tricky man. carlos used to work for panamanian intelligence. he was sent to new york by general omar herrera himself. the head of the panamanian defense force and defacto leader of panama. working out of a boxing gym was just his cover. he became a full time trainer after herrera was no longer in power. true story. This is false. He became a full time trainer just before Herrera's reign ended.

carlos lewis is a very tricky man. carlos used to work for panamanian intelligence. he was sent to new york by general omar herrera himself. the head of the panamanian defense force and defacto leader of panama. working out of a boxing gym was just his cover. he became a full time trainer after herrera was no longer in power. true story. Are you just pulling my leg?

Yeah right. How the hell is that possible? carlos lewis is a very tricky man. carlos used to work for panamanian intelligence. he was sent to new york by general omar herrera himself. the head of the panamanian defense force and defacto leader of panama. working out of a boxing gym was just his cover. he became a full time trainer after herrera was no longer in power. true story.

Yes, he was old and spent. He was a shell of his former self in those fights. I was shocked to see him beat Pac one of those times and think that was his greatest performance ever in his career because he wasn't the same fighter in any of those fights. Like I said at least he was knocked down, he was beaten. Morales did the same thing against Pacquiao that Zarazoga did against Morales, acknowledging defeat and the diminishing of their own skills. There is absolutely no shame in that, they gave it all they got as did Miguel Cotto against Margarito. Just recognize that.

panama lewis drugged kostya , trinidad and tua during the phillips , hopkins and lewis fights. true story. Yeah right. How the hell is that possible?

Panama Lewis is the epitome of SHIT. panama lewis drugged kostya , trinidad and tua during the phillips , hopkins and lewis fights. true story.

well if that's the case...... without the "special" water arguello would've kicked pryor's ass!!!!!!!!!! :D Exactly. lol

That's true but let's focus on the first fight. well if that's the case...... without the "special" water arguello would've kicked pryor's ass!!!!!!!!!! :D

You really believe he couldn't get up? Yes, he was old and spent. He was a shell of his former self in those fights. I was shocked to see him beat Pac one of those times and think that was his greatest performance ever in his career because he wasn't the same fighter in any of those fights. Like I said at least he was knocked down, he was beaten.

Panama Lewis is the only one who came out of that tarnished. Panama Lewis is the epitome of SHIT.

i'm an arguello guy but...... he didn't have the "mixed" water in the second...... That's true but let's focus on the first fight.

I'm not much of a boxing historian or anything of that nature. However, doesnt the black bottle incident somewhat tarnish Pryor's win over Arguello? Panama Lewis is the only one who came out of that tarnished.

I'm not much of a boxing historian or anything of that nature. However, doesnt the black bottle incident somewhat tarnish Pryor's win over Arguello? i'm an arguello guy but...... he didn't have the "mixed" water in the second......

Aaron Pryor recently criticized Kostya for quitting on his stool. “I liked him as a fighter,” Pryor said. “I really did, I thought he was a good fighter until I saw him quit on his stool against Ricky Hatton.” “I would not do what he did in that fight. I could have been down against Alexis Arguello but I would have died in there before I quit. Seeing Tszyu quit against Hatton…that night, he did not do his best. I’d have rather have seen him get knocked out than quitting on the stool,” Pryor said. Tszyu said he gave up against Hatton out of consideration for his family but Pryor can’t accept such an excuse. “My wife filed for a divorce when I was training to fight Arguello. I got the legal papers in my training camp.But I kept training because I had to go beat the great Arguello, which I did, and then I could deal with that.” Pryor also said he has nothing but affection for his two bout rival, Arguello. “Alexis is a classy gentleman and we get along great,” Pryor said. “Ray Leonard, Marvin Hagler and Tommy Hearns do not talk. Joe Frazier does not talk to Muhammad Ali. But me and Alexis, we are good friends. Alexis told me, after the first bout in Miami, I was the better man that night. I like Alexis and I’ve learned a lot from him.” I'm not much of a boxing historian or anything of that nature. However, doesnt the black bottle incident somewhat tarnish Pryor's win over Arguello?

Let's get a clear definition of what quitting is. A fighter who is knocked down repeatedly like Morales was, didn't quit. He was beaten but didn't nod to his corner to throw the towel in or stay on his stool, he was ko'd down and couldn't get up after being beaten. You really believe he couldn't get up?

I just seen a few people insult Morales and call him a quitter on another thread. Was what he really did that bad? He gave it all he got , he didn't have anything else , he just got knocked down for the 2nd time......what was the point of getting up again? I've also seen Arguello do the same in the Pryor fight. I read someone post so many bad things about Kostya too and how he ended his career on the stool. They're not the only ones...... there have been plenty of greats who have "QUIT". I'm sure each of us can name a few more. Me personally? I don't hold anything against them for this. If you're beat , if you have nothing left , what's the point of getting beat up some more? Thoughts? Opinions? Discuss. Let's get a clear definition of what quitting is. A fighter who is knocked down repeatedly like Morales was, didn't quit. He was beaten but didn't nod to his corner to throw the towel in or stay on his stool, he was ko'd down and couldn't get up after being beaten. There's a difference, me personally, I'm old school. I prefer to see a fighter get KO'd or have the ref stop the fight to preotect the fighter. When you nod to your corner to give in, you quit. I don't disrepect Cotto, or think he's a punk or a coward. The question is just being asked and I have to answer honestly.