Suspend Diaz's Trainer?

I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that? I agree a cut like that wasn't that bad or as bad as some that we've all seen before. However, my point is if he couldn't see the punches coming then being in the HW division where the punches are considerably heavier he may feel that he would've taken too much unneeded punishment. I agree with you I don't think he should have quit . I understand why he felt he couldn't go on though.

That really sucks if thats what happened. Brooks has been with Diaz for a long time now. He should have cared more. Either way, im sure Diaz is going to make a full recovery that guy has guts and will fight this all the way to good health.

I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that? The blood was running in his eye. It's not for you to make the deterrmination on whether it was bad or not. I tell what though, I saw JC chavez quit in the second fight against Frankie Randell in 6th round from the same thing that happened to Rahman. Make no mistake about it that he quit. He did it in the second fight with Delahoya too. Did you have a problem with that?

I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that? Easy for you to say because you were not the one cut and you weren't the one who had to get hit. Also, if you didn't box as a pro then don't talk about what you COULD have done. You didn't do it and you calling Rahman a coward makes you a hypocrite using double standards.

I do train and I have boxed, and could have went pro but didnt sieze the oppurtunity. Rahmans cut, keeping all things relative in boxing, it wasnt that bad of a cut. I can understand if it was a Vitali cut, then OK, but a cut like that? If it wasn't affecting him then how did James Toney not land any right hands before the cut, then clip him with a right hand right after the cut???

Look I'm not pointing finger because I don't know what went on.....but ESPN just showed the highlights of the fight and Diaz didn't look like he could take the punches like most fighter (or he usually) does... Something probably happened in sparring or in training, he might've gotten knocked out in sparring or something...shit like that doesn't just happen because boxing is dangerous. That stuff happens due to ignorance. Like when they faked Muhammad Ali's doctor reports.

Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a bitch if you can't compete. I am just a fan. I have only boxed in high school as part of PE class but that was quite enough for me to become quite respectful of those who participate in the most gruelling respectable sport there is. So I don't think you can dismiss all fans as not being concerned about the issues boxers face. I think someone who is in a sport so disorientating must have a team that they can rely will have his best interest at heart when it comes to the fighter's health and well being. I tend to believe that Oscar's corner completely failed him in this regard. After the ref waved his hand Brooks was trying to get him water to help freshin him up to go on fighting so the ref had to reiterate to brooks No "the fight is over". Just inexcusable.

Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a bitch if you can't compete. Good comments. Fans see Oscar Diaz get carried out of the ring and they still don't get how seriously dangerous this business is. If Rahman doesn't think he can protect himself or his eye the fight should be stopped. What the result should be is a different issue.

Rahman is in a different boart. It was third round, he was clear. The cut was no where near deep. Im talking about fighters like Freitas who after 10 rounds of getting pounded on a Chico. Not a fighter who got a minor cut in the 3rd round looking for a way out. He was beat up like Oscar, Popo, Gatti. Even Alphonso Gomez took a beating. But the way that Rock wnet out is not in the same league. Since when does taking a senseless beating make someone a warrior? Not that I like Rahman because I don't but, I've boxed and if blood is running in your eye and you can't see punches coming that is an unnecessary risk. Thats exactly what Rahman said. He couldn't see the punches coming. Fans kill me especially ones that never boxed with how they determine what it is to be a warrior. Who is going to feed these dudes when they are in their mid to late forties and can't stop shaking. Tell me what fan is coming to a fighter's aid then? If the man can't see he can't see. Nothing close to being a bitch if you can't compete.

When you box there is no such thing as quiting. Or shouldn't be. You have to trust your corner for that kind of stuff. Once you quit the first time you possibly will never be the same. You will always have in the back of your mind that if shit gets too tough you can just quit because you've had enough. That means to have a team you trust and never leave quiting as a way out. That's the way I was taught. Not saying it's the right way just stating one way of thinking.

Do you not think that what Brooks did was bending the rules that were put in place to help fighters out. If he couldnt see out of his eye, there is no reason for the man to go blind because his trainer puts the pressure on him, and tries to cut corners. If your man is not well enough to see how many fingers had been put up, do you not think that is reason enough to stop a fight? I mean it is two fingers. If he cant tell 2 fingers how the hell is he going to see thunderous right hands and snapping jabs come at him? As a trainer you are supposed to look out for your fighter. Not send him out there to take more of a beating than he already has, and hang him out there to dry. If you suspend Brooks, you have to suspend every other trainer who had done it, which is a lot. Don't place it all on Brooks because I know Diaz and he wouldn't care, he'd want to fight on. Is it wise under those circumstances? No, personally I don't think it is. But then you have cases like Jorge Castro, bleeding out of his eyes and unable to see John David Jackson. Do you suspend him? How about every Arturo Gatti trainer, do you suspend him as well? I see a lot of people complaining that Juan Diaz was hindered by his cuts, but no one is calling for Ronnie Shields' suspensions. The only difference here is that someone got hurt. Me personally, from the outside looking in, I had the TV viewer's perspective so I can't make the same judgments someone at ringside. I would have stopped the fight once Diaz stopped coming forward as much because he can't find but one way. In hindsight we can make all the judgments we want, but if we're not in the moment its just talk.

Rahman is in a different boart. It was third round, he was clear. The cut was no where near deep. Im talking about fighters like Freitas who after 10 rounds of getting pounded on a Chico. Not a fighter who got a minor cut in the 3rd round looking for a way out. He was beat up like Oscar, Popo, Gatti. Even Alphonso Gomez took a beating. But the way that Rock wnet out is not in the same league. Fair enough. I can agree with that.

I couldn't believe that after Diaz had just slumped over in his chair and they had him laid out unconscious on the mat...He got up for a bit and the ref was still asking him if it was ok to go... That's Texas for ya.

If Brooks was trying to help Diaz with the number of fingers, it was only to negate the disadvantage of him seeing out of his closed eyes. I don't think Brooks was trying to get his man hurt, no one could tell the extent of the damage to Diaz until he started to stumble. No one is to blame for this, this kind of stuff happens. As we continue in this brutal sport, we learn more about how to prevent them. But neither the ref or the trainer is to blame for what happened, no one is really.

I noticed this too. I am surprised someone just posted about his. I think he should have his trainers license revoked for 6-12 months. Now he saw first hand what fucking around can do. I think too many trainers put too much pressure on there fighters. If the fighter feels he cant go on, dont make him feel uncomfortable to tell you that. If he doesnt want anymore dont keep pushing him to go back out there. I see this all too much. And as fans we are a little to hard on fighters when they quit on their stools too, which is also a factor. Fighters like Freitas, Tszyu, and others have boxed all of their lives. They are not pussies, they just know their limitations. I will never talk shit about a boxer that quits on his stool. They know them selves more than we do. Fuck Rahman. He is a fuckin waist. He could have went on. Fighters like Gatti would laugh at this ecxcuse ridden HW. Not as a bash in any way, but do you think these two comments could be perceived as being incongruent in some regards? Just curious to see how you would parse the differences as you see them.

interesting. I dont think suspension. Diaz is a warrior, a lot of fighters have gone through hell, just some took it better than others. Diaz didnt take it well. I hope he recovers