I won't dispute the outcome, but I will strongly disagree with your (lack of) logic here. While it's true that "in the final outcome" it does not matter if a judge had it 96-94 or 100-90, the fact that a judge blatantly scored a fight incorrectly IS noteworthy, and certainly worth discussing/investigating. Doesn't necessarily mean that the loser got "robbed," but it could still be an indication of a "fix." Can you decipher the subtle difference there?
A judge can be in the tank for a fighter, and that fighter still might happen to win straight up.
What he said...
For all we know, a fair judge could've given it to Vanda, and the end result will entirely be different.
WHAT!!!!!??? I actuaqlly had faith in that boy!!! I was a supporter. DAMN, Matt FUCKIN Vanda?? Damn Jr. Come on!!!
It was a close fight. The arguing is about a judge who gave the fight 100-90 for Chávez Jr. Even the people in the arena were furious.
I thought the fight was close with chavez jr winning most of the earlier rounds and vanda taking the later rounds but with a score of 100 to 90 in favor of chavez sounds like the fix was in before the fight already started.
you have to convince two of the three judges to win a fight and if you have already convince one of the judges you won before the fight started thats a pretty big edge going into a fight.
So i can understand why people are saying that this fight was a robbery.
Time to shut the door to the kitchen I suppose! ;)
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did you adjust your glasses by pressing the center of the frame just now?
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You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer I take it......I won't waste either of our times trying to further clarify an already explicitly obvious post.....
What was the point of this post? ^^^^^
Or your initial one for that matter? To point out that you disagree with my logic regarding what constitutes a robbery? A score margin?
Did you even watch the fucking fight? Why are you here?
And more importantly.........who are you?
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Sigh.
So let me get this straight.
Part of the conspiracy was to have 1 judge score for Vanda?
Is that supposed to make the result less suspicious?
I'm going to assume you are just playing us into arguing with you.
Sigh.
So let me get this straight.
Part of the conspiracy was to have 1 judge score for Vanda?
Is that supposed to make the result less suspicious?
You aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer I take it......I won't waste either of our times trying to further clarify an already explicitly obvious post.....
Do you know how ridiculous it is, for me to sit here on the other end of our convo and somehow be forcefed the idea of foul play?
I don't know for a fact the judges were paid off. Sure it's fucking possible and that decision has already been perceived as home cooked.
But if I stated: "Oh you're right those judges were bought" I'd be lying to myself because I just think that one judge was a jackass.
I mean I've seen as strange or stranger score totals before.
Neither do I. However, not knowing something for a fact, doesn't make me stop using my reasoning and intelligence to try to find out the truth. On the contrary, if it was bought, or if it was "free" hometown bias, I'll keep looking for clues.
100-90 is, for me, the mother of all clues. Bought, biased, or whatever other possibility... that's wrong.
The History of Chávez Sr. doesn't inspire me much confidence, either. Remember the Randall fight?
I don't wana belive what you said "His son will never be anything spcial" But dam I am starting to belive this. His son gets hit to much doesn't pack a punch and isn't the In-Fighter his father was. Also why is a tall fighter neglecting his right straight??
Jr. actually does hit pretty decent but Vanda has a hell of a chin. Many of vanda's punches split jr's guard and landed flush. At the end of the fight it sounded like jr. said he has a lot of thinking to do (during the interview), kind of hinting that he doesn't know if he'll fight again.
I won't dispute the outcome, but I will strongly disagree with your (lack of) logic here. While it's true that "in the final outcome" it does not matter if a judge had it 96-94 or 100-90, the fact that a judge blatantly scored a fight incorrectly IS noteworthy, and certainly worth discussing/investigating. Doesn't necessarily mean that the loser got "robbed," but it could still be an indication of a "fix." Can you decipher the subtle difference there?
A judge can be in the tank for a fighter, and that fighter still might happen to win straight up.
Sigh.
So let me get this straight.
Part of the conspiracy was to have 1 judge score for Vanda?
Is that supposed to make the result less suspicious?
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I don't wana belive what you said "His son will never be anything spcial" But dam I am starting to belive this. His son gets hit to much doesn't pack a punch and isn't the In-Fighter his father was. Also why is a tall fighter neglecting his right straight??He has decent power the only problem is he's predictable. You can see his punches coming making them less effectie. When he throws combinations they always end with a left hook to the body. He clearly lost tonight anyone who says different is a fucking blind, stupid and an extreme chavez nuthugger.
Also if you were to claim he penciled in the scores ahead of time and had to go back and erase them once he saw Chavez fuck up, I'd say that's feasible.
Bought yeah but I mean that judge probably was thinking about Surfing.
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What was ur score silencers? I'll admit Chavez was doing O.K early on but blew it.
I wasn't watching, judging from most people's reaction here, Chavez didn't look good.
People have their opinions about odlh but he's always fought the best. He'll fight the winner of cotto/marg.
i agree he does fight the best and i think he will fight cotto/marg but now i think this chavez jr. fight could get delahoya's attention
If every judge scored it 100-90 in favor of Chavez, we'd have a discussion.
As it stands it was a split decision where 1 judge scored it for Vanda.
Go ahead and slow down on the booze, I don't wanna hear conspiracy.I won't dispute the outcome, but I will strongly disagree with your (lack of) logic here. While it's true that "in the final outcome" it does not matter if a judge had it 96-94 or 100-90, the fact that a judge blatantly scored a fight incorrectly IS noteworthy, and certainly worth discussing/investigating. Doesn't necessarily mean that the loser got "robbed," but it could still be an indication of a "fix." Can you decipher the subtle difference there?
A judge can be in the tank for a fighter, and that fighter still might happen to win straight up.
I don't get why people are calling this robbery! It was a close fight that involved JCC Jr. winning the first 5 round easily and the two fighters batteling out the next five with Vanda taking an edge on the last five. In the end a score of 97-93 is acceptable. 100-90 is ridiculous, but the winner is still the right winner. And just to clarify, I am not a big fan of JCC jr. at all.